Wednesday, August 19, 2026

The Drama Triangle

I received the following email from someone who finished watching the Nehor video series. I thought what she had to share was so insightful, helpful, and spot-on, I asked for and received her permission to share it in its entirety, minus her personal details. 

I have read through and considered her thoughts over and over and I learn something more each time. I believe what she wrote is worth reading, pondering and re-reading. Here it is, as she wrote it:


Hi Adrian! I finished your last video. Well done. 

I especially appreciated the sections on victimhood and suicidal empathy.


I actually had to stop and take notes.   


Some of the parts that stood out most to me were that “victimhood has power among those who are merciful and compassionate, who are attempting to follow the Good Shepherd, and are the true followers of Christ.” 


“But if you claim you’ve been victimized, then among compassionate and merciful people, they will rush to your aid, they will do everything they can to lift you up to assuage (had to look that one up😂) to right the wrong, to heal the wound.” 


I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of this before, but you’re talking about an actual psychological phenomenon called the Drama Triangle! I took a quick snippet to share. 


“The Karpman Drama Triangle  is a social model of human interaction proposed by San Francisco psychiatrist Stephen B. Karpman in 1968. The triangle maps a type of destructive interaction that can occur among people in conflict. The drama triangle model is a tool used in psychotherapy, specifically transactional analysis. The triangle of actors in the drama are: 


Persecutors, Victims, and Rescuers. 


Karpman described how in some cases these roles were not undertaken in an honest manner to resolve the presenting problem, but rather were used fluidly and switched between by the actors in a way that achieved unconscious goals and agendas.” [AKA False Victimhood] 


“The outcome in such cases was that the actors would be left feeling justified and entrenched, but there would often be little or no change to the presenting problem, and other more fundamental problems giving rise to the situation remaining unaddressed.”


I think you touched on why it was so effective among the merciful and compassionate. Because those are the “rescuer” types. 


I see this constantly all around me ever since I learned about it a couple of years ago.   


My neighbor explained how certain people in our home were taking on those roles and what the necessary results would be. She was right and I was shocked at how we had a huge culture of taking up those roles and that they switched from moment to moment and also some people hold those same positions over and over. 


I had never realized that every time I pointed to who I thought was the “victim” in any given situation, so I could come in and be the “rescuer,” it boosted my ego and made me feel like I was defending the helpless—but in doing so it automatically assigned a persecutor which fueled the division and caused the triangle to continue with conflict. 


And, I agree with you, maintaining the victim identity is essential. Because it is necessary to keep the drama going. But also as destructive, in my opinion, is falling into the rescuer role, because if one person claims false victimhood, another person steps in to be the rescuer, and that will always, automatically put a third-party into the role of persecutor. 


Which is very dangerous, given the fact that it’s a false victimhood to start with. But even when it is true victimhood, it keeps fueling the fire. 


I’ve also noticed that this is when the rescuer becomes the accuser!  (Adding a whole new element and therefore the accused now feels like the victim) It is a nasty pattern. 


As I’ve observed all the conflict unfold with us ladies, it’s obvious that the drama triangle is playing a huge role.  


It really makes me sad. 


I don’t know how many will understand how truly important it is for us all to step out of the roles of the drama triangle.


We as a people need to stay out of other peoples business. 😂


I try to use this motto— There are two types of business: My business and none of my business.  😂 


If it didn’t happen to me, If I was not involved, I don’t need to insert myself. But that’s just how l try to manage boundaries and relationships. 


Much of the drama that takes place would be minimized if we could recognize these patterns and how unhealthy they are in relationships and communities. I appreciated you addressing the patterns. I hope it will help. 


I wrote this all yesterday and was going to send it today. But last night I had this dream. So I’m sharing. 


My youngest daughter and I were on an airplane. There was a man causing a  disturbance. I didn’t hear what the disturbance was or see it. I only heard the commotion. 


I peeked around to take a look and saw the man from behind, on his knees with his hands up. There was a security guard or air Marshall pointing a taser like weapon at him. 


I heard him talking but couldn’t understand what he was saying, I could only deduce that he was a man in his 30’s, uneducated and poor. I observed his ethnic background and that he appeared to be of lower intelligence. 


I heard him plead and try to reason. I felt very powerless to do anything in that situation. I had such concern for the man, because he was in distress. It pulled my heart. 


I had the overwhelming urge to try to help (rescue) him. I felt so powerless.  I said to my daughter, oh my gosh… all I can do is just pray now. 


I woke up and I pondered the dream. 


I didn’t know ANYTHING that happened. It was totally ignorant of the situation. I didn’t see it. Didn’t hear what actually happened. Just the commotion and indistinct shouting. 


It didn’t happen to me. 


The man went from being a disrupter in one moment, then to  weak, vulnerable and at risk for an injustice to occur the next moment if the air Marshall couldn’t see the man had a “lower IQ.” He was at one moment a persecutor and the next a potential victim. 


I instantly felt I was the only one who could help calm the situation, to manage it, to control it so that all would be well. 


I realized that I still play that role in my kids’ fights. Always trying to help them see the other side, helping them communicate better etc…but it was only in my dream I was able to see myself clearly. 


It occurred to me that I suddenly inserted ME in to a story that didn’t involve me. I made assumptions the man was handicapped when he could have easily been drunk! I assumed the Marshall wasn’t trained to do his job well enough to recognize a mentally challenged passenger…that the great “I” was the ONLY one with “right perspective” but in actuality I was completely ignorant of what was actually happening. 


I only knew that I felt powerless in doing nothing. 


My ego had such desire to insert ME in to this story that didn’t include me. I wanted to rescue and save. 


DOING something is easier and more comfortable than doing NOTHING. Inaction is so uncomfortable. Sitting in powerlessness is painful. 


I thought it quite profound that here I had written yesterday about “the ladies” in the movement who enter the drama triangle…And the Lord gives me a dream and shows me how I do it with my own family still, and I know all about it and the pitfalls!!  


The Lord also showed me HOW UNCOMFORTABLE it is to watch it and RESIST the urges to fix, solve or save, and rescue…because I am compassionate and merciful. 


But I did manage to figure out the  right role for me by the end of the dream, when my daughter and I began to pray for all involved and left it in Gods hands.

5 comments:


  1. Part 1:

    Is there any discernible connection to Denver's 2010 blog post "A parable" and the question posed there: "How, then, ought the neighbor act so as to show he had truly learned?"

    There are interesting points of connection to contemplate here. Perhaps this post answers that when we are placed in positions where the passively-observed, threatening behavior of another stirs us to 'do something about it', (because we've possibly lived through those experiences previously as implied by the parable), might the true challenge be to really sit with the extreme discomfort of inaction and focus on 'staying out of it', because that is the more Godly pursuit that allows for the maximum possible agency preserved for all parties? Is this how the neighbor ought to have acted (by a choice of inaction) so as to "show he has learned?"

    The Lord seems to prefer to 'stay out of it', as he could have chosen to dispute every day of his life. Perhaps this parable and post can help explain why that is so, and help us understand our Lord better! See, to choose to not dispute is to make the choice to carry out inaction towards disputation. How remarkable! This is now starting to make some sense to me:

    "But remember that without the fruit of repentance, and a broken heart and a contrite spirit, YOU CANNOT KEEP MY COVENANT; for I, your Lord, am meek and lowly of heart. Be like me. You have all been wounded, your hearts pierced through with sorrows because of how the world has treated you. But you have also scarred one another by your unkind treatment of each other, and you do not notice your misconduct toward others because you think yourself justified in this. You bear the scars on your countenances, from the soles of your feet to the head, and every heart is faint. Your visages have been so marred that your hardness, mistrust, suspicions, resentments, fear, jealousies, and anger toward your fellow man bear outward witness of your inner self; you cannot hide it. When I appear to you, instead of confidence, you feel shame. You fear and withdraw from me because you bear the blood and sins of YOUR TREATMENT of brothers and sisters. Come to me and I will make sins as scarlet become white as snow, and I will make you stand boldly before me, confident of my love." T&C 157:49 (emphasis mine)

    "(We) do not notice our misconduct towards others because (we) think ourselves justified in this." How interesting. The Lord nailed it.

    But now, we can notice our misconduct, and realize that we actually aren't justified to unrighteously intervene, perhaps because we HAVE learned to a point, from past lives experienced, just how painful it is to be the abused and the abuser, and its simply now time to be the witness and nothing more, as we have learned from those experiences to even have this opportunity afforded us at all. Ego so often gets in the way and clouds our true understanding. But if we demonstrate we haven't truly learned, then perhaps we will continue to bang our heads against the ground until we do. Thus, sad experience will continue to be our teacher.

    Consider, that, just because I've lived through one specific challenging experience in this life, that doesn't mean I can intervene and force an outcome for another who is, on the surface, experiencing a similar thing. Perhaps their situation is not my own. Because indeed it is not. Because, who am I to know or think I can mitigate the escalation or danger, or that I have the 'Godly' right to force my own will over another, and preclude their opportunity to learn in this instance? How accusatorial of me! I am proclaiming my own judgement of the matter, and acting on my broken assessment of the matter, out of haste! How wicked! This must be avoided.

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  2. Part 2 Cont.

    ONLY God knows all things, and therefore permits us to develop here according to the foreknowledge that has set us in motion, here. He will only intervene on His timeline, not ours. And if and when He does, He does so by sending his Spirit to act through others to who have the holy ghost. But importantly, he does not when we do NOT have the holy ghost, because:

    "No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood; only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned, by kindness and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul; without hypocrisy and without guile; reproving betimes with sharpness when moved upon by the holy ghost, and then showing forth afterward an increase of love toward him whom you have reproved (lest he esteem you to be his enemy), that he may know that your faithfulness is stronger than the cords of death; your bowels also being full of charity toward all men, and to the household of faith; and virtue garnish your thoughts unceasingly. Then shall your confidence wax strong in the presence of God, and the doctrines of the Priesthood shall distill upon your soul as the dews from heaven. The holy ghost shall be your constant companion, and your scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth, and your dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto you for ever and ever." T&C 139:6

    Do WE have the holy ghost when we move to rebuke or reprove one another with sharpness in our disputes? I think not. I think we continually demonstrate that we do not, the more that we engage in this behavioral defect together as one people; and as we have been addressed as one people in God's rebuke of us, that does not bode well for us. Yet, He DOES rebuke us—not because He's like us—but rather because He is SO unlike us so as to meekly allow us to do our pitiful dance, and then patiently out of love-unfeigned and pure knowledge does rebuke to reprove and correct, by the means of the holy ghost, of course, through one who actually does have God's spirit to be with him when he is moved upon by Him, according to His will. You see, this Answer for Prayer and Covenant was revealed through David—not me, or you.

    And now, we can know there is a design to this Godly pattern of behavior. I actually do see from this the greater pattern of how Zion emerges, in a fractal sense; how it could actually happen, and why those who would be gathered to Zion must not take up arms against the factions who would rather fight each other to their extinction at the last day; and why we must remain separate, yet gathered. It IS quite this simple: We MUST develop within us the love and capacity of love to just simply observe the end and to do so together, rather than participate directly in the complete destruction of our country, due to THIS understanding of the immensely charitable act that choosing to not dispute and thereby demonstrating meekness actually affords us all as one on a larger, community scale. THIS is Zion, because we will have all things in common. The stake of the world and everything in it to be preserved depends on this—and God's will cannot be frustrated.

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  3. Part 3 Cont.

    Only through being the Godly attributes of persuasion, long-suffering, gentleness, meekness, love-unfeigned, kindness, and pure knowledge will we be able to hold the inner space and peace necessary to remember the foundations of civilization as it crumbles around us; and as our relationships with our dis-fellowed men bring us immense sorrow and many shed tears as they likewise crumble to dust, we will emerge then as one to ultimately rebuild the nation anew as it rolls forth from the mountain-top temple under God's hand, by Wisdom. At that day, Pure Knowledge, or Truth, will reign, without hypocrisy and without guile, as our souls will have been greatly enlarged to "endure to the end" together as one.

    One heart (pure understanding fueled by love) + One mind (choice to refrain from unrighteous engagement) = Zion.

    Christ is the blueprint. Let us choose to not dispute, especially over things that ought not be our price to pay to learn again by sad experience.

    Let us welcome in the Lord to our tabernacle.

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  4. Compelling point: Our well-intentioned urge to rescue can actually incline us toward accusing. I love how this has made me pause to consider.
    I took note that the article underscores this: "I don’t know how many will understand how truly important it is for us all to step out of the roles of the drama triangle."
    “Stop doing that” keeps attention on the behavior, which often keeps it alive. The Nonviolent Communication (NVC) model — recommended by Stephanie in her podcasts — shifts focus to observations, feelings, needs, and requests, helping the triangle dissolve without fixating on any of its roles.

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  5. Seems like wisdom (and all that that implies) might actually prevail...

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