Rock Waterman, proprietor of the excellent Pure Mormonism blog, recently participated in an interview with Radio Free Mormon. In that interview, he spoke of a writing project he undertook with Brian Hales, which jogged my memory about the events, and also reminded me of the rest of the story. It turns out I was involved as well, and the outcome of it all may yet be useful. Here’s what I can add to the conversation:
Brian Hales contacted me through this blog in October 2017, looking for someone who could write a history of what he termed, “the Denver Snuffer movement,” together with an anthology looking at Denver’s teachings. His intent was to use the history as an opening chapter in an anthology of works by various authors critically addressing the movement. He felt that having an “insider” write the introduction would give the rest of the critical work credibility and appeal, as well as accuracy. He offered payment for the writing effort.
I didn’t have the time to take on the project, so I suggested he contact Rock Waterman, and I put the two of them in touch. Rock took on the project, and wrote several drafts, but in the end could not provide what Brian wanted, so in January 2018, Brian reached out to me again and asked if I would consider writing the chapter. I agreed to do so and finished my first draft in April of that year. After we had some back and forth about the content of the chapter, it turned out that like Rock, I was not able to provide what Brian wanted, so I withdrew from the project in May 2018. As far as I know the proposed anthology never got off the ground, but Brian predicted it would not be particularly relevant in a few years because he expected the movement would fizzle out on its own anyway.
I should stress that through it all, Brian was a gentleman and though we fundamentally disagree on a number of topics, most notably his treatment of Joseph Smith, our exchange was positive and professional.
So in the end, I was left with the unused fruits of my labor, consisting of a 17,500-word introduction to the Remnant Movement, written as the introductory chapter for a book.
When I heard Rock’s interview, I thought the chapter might yet be useful, and since I’ve never done anything else with it, I’m posting it here. I believe that with some slight changes and updates, it may serve as a decent introduction to the Remnant movement for those who are curious, and perhaps also as somewhat of an abbreviated history. I’m open to ideas, so let me know what you think.
By way of context, keep in mind this was written in early 2018, so it is about two and a half years behind current history, and it was written as the introduction to a book that would otherwise be critical of the movement. Enjoy!
Thank you for the article.
ReplyDeleteOn page 10 you state that Russell M Nelson was president of the Quorum of the Twelve at the time Denver Snuffer's stake president was released and a new stake president was called. Actually at that time Boyd K Packer was president of the Quorum of the Twelve.
Harry
Great catch! Thank you Harry. At that time, Nelson was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve, but not the President.
DeleteIsn't this the kind of thing for which Restoration Archives exists?
ReplyDeleteThis was so well written and so comprehensive. I can see why Brian Hales didn’t want to use it because you’d soundly convince his readers before he ever got to say anything. I’ve downloaded a copy, but I agree with the previous comment that this should be saved on the Restoration Archives for future reference.
ReplyDeleteExactly, Aimee!
DeleteI honestly believe he wanted a chapter he could easily refute and condemn, but neither Rock nor Adrian gave him the fuel for his anti-Denver and anti-Christ's-present work that he wanted.
Toni
Adrian, brilliant as always... would love to discuss with you. Let's talk!
ReplyDeleteNice summary, very well written. It would be great if someone wrote an addendum that covers the last two years as well.
ReplyDeleteIt’s a pity Mr. Hales declined to use your introductory chapter, Adrian. It was an admirable intention on his part to let a believer have the first word. Your comprehensive summary, however, may have made the following counter-arguments seem petty and inconsequential. It wasn’t to be, but him sending your chapter to the other authors for comment would’ve been interesting. And potentially confusing. Imagine some poor scholar studying your chapter and experiencing the spirit witnessing to any or all of what you’ve written. What then?
ReplyDeleteIn another life, I was a Gospel Doctrine teacher at church. One Sunday in a lesson on the Old Testament, I mentioned that in our time, a Denver Snuffer and an Adrian Larsen were being accused online of being false prophets. We discussed the Lord’s rule of thumb for determining the validity of a prophet. We could have benefitted from the additional perspective that a true prophet is simply a messenger from the Lord. The subject is so fraught with misunderstanding and burdened by tradition, though, that one sister jumped to the conclusion that my mentioning the subject was evidence that I was in cahoots with y’all.
If the Strengthening Church Members Committee still maintains a file on you, this will make a nice addition to it. May they read it and learn something useful.
I loved it. Thank you for sharing. It is a work that would have been greatly appreciated by my husband and I when we first came into the “movement” in 2019. I agree with you and other commentators who mentioned an update!
ReplyDeleteIncredible Adrian. In fact, probably too well done. Otherwise we would be reading it in Brian’s book.
ReplyDeleteI'm really sure he wanted a chapter that he and his fellow authors could poke holes in and tear down, so they could prove that the LDS Church is God's own true Faith and that the "snuffer movement" is anti-Christ or, at the least, woefully misled and under-informed in regards to how God works.
ReplyDeleteIt seems quite obvious to me that neither you nor Rock gave him the ammunition he wanted. He, perhaps, knew he could not refute the chapter, especially if he already had his arguments in place before he received the chapters from you and Rock.
I love Patty's idea of a scholar reading it and becoming converted. Perhaps Brian's fear was along similar lines (not only that he and his could not refute it, but that both your and Rock's efforts were so compelling that Hales' book could have the opposite effect: that of converting people to the movement).
Toni
I find it amusing that Hales told you he thinks that the Snuffer movement will die out, and thus, he decided he didn't need to put in the effort to debunk it. Yet just recently, Hales has been put to fire for undermining efforts to be transparent with the Joseph Smith Papers Project. After Denver called him out, he put together a hasty YouTube video in response.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we're going anywhere. In, fact, with Church-supported globalist initiatives and glad-hearted efforts at supporting Covid mandates, people are waking up more than ever. There are groups popping up all over the Wasatch front, freedom groups, that are seeing the writing on the wall. At some point, there will only be one issue to argue with regard to the LDS Church . . . will the join up with the Great and Abominable Church? Perhaps they already have, but if they publicly announce such a partnership, the die will have been cast. For behold there are but two churches . . .