tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post8910773676749245182..comments2024-03-26T14:29:25.921-06:00Comments on To The Remnant: Prophets, Conclusion: Manifesting the Gentile AfflictionAdrian Larsenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-53571396830977341522015-04-19T13:56:56.609-06:002015-04-19T13:56:56.609-06:00I've written a lengthy series on what defines ...I've written a lengthy series on what defines a prophet. Denver qualifies in every particular. <br /><br />He has exhibited the gift of prophecy by relaying a message directly from God. <br /><br />He has exhibited the gift of seership by receiving visions and sharing them publicly. <br /><br />He has exhibited the gift of revelation by revealing previously unknown truths, including the path that leads to receiving visitation of the Lord for yourself.<br /><br />There are numerous examples of the above in Denver's writings.<br /><br />One thing to remember: The message thus far has been preliminary; it has been a reminder of what the Lord was doing through Joseph up until the time Joseph died. Until we remember and take seriously what has been given, the Lord cannot give more (it would only Damn us.)<br /><br />I don't hear other voices reminding us of the restoration, defending Joseph, and teaching what is missing to any degree that can compare with what Denver has accomplished in this prelude. <br /><br />I'm not sure where you got the idea that miracles are required. That's a different gift entirely. But you can set whatever standard and seek whatever signs you want before you will believe. The standard you have set is miracles and new scriptures. That may be your definition of a prophet, but it is not the scriptural definition. Show us a sign, and then we will believe. <br /><br />Were you endowed before 1990? Just curious. The pre-1990 endowment teaches something important about demanding miracles. <br /><br />I have no interesting in trying to convince you. If you cannot perceive any difference between Denver's message and the typical general conference talk, then please feel free to move on and discard what I have written. <br /><br />Either way, I wish you love, light and truth in your journey.<br />Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-28447132731113790282015-04-19T13:20:53.630-06:002015-04-19T13:20:53.630-06:00Thank you.
I have followed Denver for as long as...Thank you. <br /><br />I have followed Denver for as long as you have. He is no different than GA's rehashing what came before him- all he has done is EXPLAINING what JS wrote before. <br /><br />But so far as having any fruits, i ask u to consider my question carefully in regards to a comparison with other real prophets ie JS etc.<br /><br />There is nothing revelatory in the least about Denver's 10 talks. He has pulled the wool over your eyes. If you think his words are equivalent to the BoM or a vision ie Section 76, he has you fooled very easily. <br /><br />Has the most correct book got a prophecy about him? I wonder why not?!<br /><br />No miracles, no new scriptures = no prophet.hildanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-87493381860517442662015-04-19T12:32:44.647-06:002015-04-19T12:32:44.647-06:00Hi Hilda,
Thanks for asking. As I covered in this...Hi Hilda,<br /><br />Thanks for asking. As I covered in this post:<br /><br />http://www.totheremnant.com/2015/02/prophets-part-6-another-prophet-now-is.html<br /><br />Denver has given a series of 10 lectures, delivering a message he claims he got directly from the Lord. It is a "thus saith the Lord" message. This is the fruit you should consider, study out, and take to the Lord. The post I linked above has links to the material, in both audio and written format. <br /><br />Keep in mind, this message comes from a man who claims to have met with the Lord face to face on numerous occasions, been tutored by angels, and received this message from heaven. If these claims are true and this message did indeed come from God, this is very much fits the prophetic pattern of Joseph Smith and all true prophets.<br /><br />I urge you to look into it and find out.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-32735188153039635012015-04-19T11:57:44.940-06:002015-04-19T11:57:44.940-06:00Just wondering- what exactly are Denver Snuffer&#...Just wondering- what exactly are Denver Snuffer's fruits that distinguish him from Monson and make him more like Peter or Joseph Smith? 'Thus saith Jesus Christ...' revelations, or perhaps newly translated ancient scripture ie the promised Book of the Lamb? Instant healings and raising the dead? Glowing like Nephi and Abinadi?<br /><br />Forgive me if I'm lost but both look like false prophets to me and unlike One like Moses etc.<br /><br />In all this talk of modern prophets, Joseph Smith stands alone. <br /><br />Please, educate and elucidate. Don't tell me 'i know that DS is a prophet' as that is as bad as testimony meetings on 1st sunday at the Rameumpton.<br /><br />hildanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-42828692423527535322015-03-25T13:32:21.021-06:002015-03-25T13:32:21.021-06:00Dear Anonymous Missionary,
I applaud you for your...Dear Anonymous Missionary,<br /><br />I applaud you for your efforts and sacrifice to teach truth. In your situation, I realize there's little you can do about the "follow the prophet" focus. My best advice is to keep emphasizing that Jesus Christ is the Savior, not any man, and that the Book of Mormon will bring you closer to Christ than any other book. <br /><br />In the end, you may be forced to choose between obeying men and obeying God. I hope it doesn't come to that for you in your current situation, but the follow the prophet focus may make it unavoidable. <br /><br />Whatever comes your way, go to the Lord and obey Him only. This is the only way to safety and salvation. <br /><br />God bless you Elder or Sister, wherever you are.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-2717025280634356792015-03-25T12:00:40.982-06:002015-03-25T12:00:40.982-06:00as a latter day missionary, which i currently am. ...as a latter day missionary, which i currently am. how would you advise somone in my situation to go about teaching. when i try to teach about the book of mormon with truth, i always get shuned and my companions always turn it around and say "dont worry, the prophet will never lead us astray." i dont agree with that and i never say i agree with that. but what would advise i do while i am out here trying to teach about the book of mormon and christ, and i get in trouble whenever i talk about truth? from what i have read here and what i have read from the book of mormon i have taken to god. i have prayed to know if the things i am reading are in fact true. i have recived my answer and know more truth now. i am growing closer to my god everyday as i study the book of mormon. thank you for your help and insight. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-54510679774091122812015-03-17T19:46:27.378-06:002015-03-17T19:46:27.378-06:00“Our sustaining is an oath-like indication that we...“Our sustaining is an oath-like indication that we recognize their calling as a prophet to be legitimate and binding upon us.”<br /><br />This ^^^ quote made me glad that I voted no in the last April conference. Since that time, I have been abstaining. I feel like an onlooker, not part of it anymore. I am an outsider because my beliefs no longer mesh with the correlated belief system, the bottom line of which is "Follow the prophet." We have SO lost the doctrine of every person connecting to heaven. No man saying, "Know ye the Lord," because everyone will know Him.LJnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-27825726740105958962015-03-17T11:05:23.060-06:002015-03-17T11:05:23.060-06:00Thank you so much for posting this! I really appr...Thank you so much for posting this! I really appreciate you providing information on ways to think about what's really going on.tkck05https://www.blogger.com/profile/12197088510538443305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-34013322590774073642015-03-16T23:41:06.094-06:002015-03-16T23:41:06.094-06:00Very good post Adrian. It seems that the church is...Very good post Adrian. It seems that the church is currently being lead into captivity both spiritually and temporally by false prophets who have set themselves up as a light unto the people and the church is beginning to dwindle in unbelief.<br />In the BoM the Lord said to the Nephites that if it be HIS church that HE would show forth HIS works in it. Those works would include miracles such as healings, speaking in tongues, prophesy, revelation, visions, the visitation of Angels etc. <br />There doesn't appear to be any of those works in the church at the moment. Instead we get the works of men like shopping malls and are taught to put our trust in man and make flesh our arm.<br />Also, how is it possible that the church has fifteen men who are sustained as seers when both Joseph Smith and the BoM plainly taught that what constituted a seer was someone who was in possession of the interpreters (seer stones, urim and thummin) and was commended to look into them?<br /> As far as I know, the angel Moroni took them when he collected the plates. How then can they be seers?Peter Belknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-17717473035203163272015-03-16T15:03:06.457-06:002015-03-16T15:03:06.457-06:00Wow Adrian. You nailed it. Claro.Wow Adrian. You nailed it. Claro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-85335585941792955602015-03-15T21:24:02.673-06:002015-03-15T21:24:02.673-06:00This snippet from a 2013 LDS Patriarchal Blessing ...This snippet from a 2013 LDS Patriarchal Blessing is by itself a valid reason to NOT sustain Thomas Monson. Patriarchs will obey him, so even if he claims he did not know about it he is responsible. Idolatry in the Bible is spoken of like adultery. It is not a minor sin.<br /><br />“You have a great intelligent mind, but, you will never become more intelligent<br />than the Prophet of God. You will always raise your hand to sustain Him in<br />knowing that He is God’s spokesman, and you will know that He receives<br />revelation. Even though you might be great in your academics, you will always<br />know that His wisdom and knowledge supersedes yours. You will always be<br />obedient. You will always sustain the living Prophet.”<br /><br />http://www.2bc.info/pdf/pbfraud.pdf<br /><br />Richarderichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12279217537472159142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-28234192301964880172015-03-15T16:50:04.803-06:002015-03-15T16:50:04.803-06:00The reference to Amos as a gatherer of Sycamore fr...The reference to Amos as a gatherer of Sycamore fruit intrigued me, so I looked up sycamore fruit on Wickepedia. The sycamore of the area of Palestine (and also Egypt and Southern Africa) is a type of edible fig, and was the "Tree of Life" of Egyptian tradition (possible relationship to Lehi's dream and the education of him and his family in Egyptian learning?). Also, that God called a prophet who (perhaps symbolically) was one who's vocation was the harvesting of fruit from the traditional "Tree of Life".MarkinPNWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-83953164330584412712015-03-14T23:31:38.401-06:002015-03-14T23:31:38.401-06:00Or instead of making a "binding oath" to...Or instead of making a "binding oath" to a man, one could vote in opposition during General Conference, as recently suggested at anyopposed.org. I personally doubt the needed changes can be addressed this way, but at least our generation would go on record as not being unanimously in favor of forswearing ourselves, as we are warned against by the Savior in the Sermon on the Mount, and in 3rd Nephi 12: <br /><br />33 And again it is written, thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths; <br />34 But verily, verily, I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne;<br />35 Nor by the earth, for it is his footstool;<br />36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair black or white;<br />37 But let your communication be Yea, yea; Nay, nay; for whatsoever cometh of more than these is evil.Nathan Lyneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07084625673180290992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-36356844050561166022015-03-14T22:54:24.042-06:002015-03-14T22:54:24.042-06:00Well said, Adrian. I'm reminded of an almost u...Well said, Adrian. I'm reminded of an almost universally ignored statement by the Old Testament prophet Amos. In Amos 3:7 Amos rightly explains, "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." The religion that Joseph Smith founded has used this scripture for nearly two hundred years as a logical foundation on which to claim divine direction of the church.<br /><br />Amos was called to cry repentance to the most prosperous Israel since the time of Solomon. A wicked king, Jeroboam II, ruled the land and decreed that the people worship a statue of a golden calf instead of Yahweh. Not surprisingly, Jeroboam was none too happy with Amos coming to the king's residence in Bethel to proclaim a choice between repentance or destruction. <br /><br />When the king's man, Amaziah, was sent to shoo Amos away, Amos made a remarkable statement found in Amos 7:14-15 that has echoes in our time: "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycamore fruit: And the Lord took me as I followed the flock, and the Lord said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."<br /><br />In ancient Israel in all but a few cases, being a prophet was an occupation. Prophets lived and worked in groups, offering predictions and soothsaying to wealthy patrons such as the king. An apprentice to an established prophet was called the son of a prophet. Amos declared his independence from the prophetic tradition of his time in telling Amaziah that instead of a soothsayer he was a herdsman and a gatherer of sycamore fruit.<br /><br />The religion that Joseph Smith founded correctly claims that God reveals his will through messengers called prophets but turns around and ignores the rest of Amos' insight—that only those messengers personally called of God are actually prophets. Your entire series is refreshingly clear, Adrian, in exploring both the importance of prophets and the evidence or lack thereof for prophets in our time. We need true prophets as never before and for the same reasons as those who came before us—unless we choose to follow Jesus Christ as our ruler we will self-destruct in the process of following our fellow human beings as our rulers.<br /><br /><br />Pattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-15800829651537663082015-03-14T21:18:16.687-06:002015-03-14T21:18:16.687-06:00Thanks for catching that. I've corrected it.Thanks for catching that. I've corrected it.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-20578162519824948142015-03-14T20:45:17.467-06:002015-03-14T20:45:17.467-06:00The sustaining happens in the Saturday afternoon s...The sustaining happens in the Saturday afternoon session.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11401639277652623990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-15609066140403944592015-03-14T15:17:45.574-06:002015-03-14T15:17:45.574-06:00Thank you! So well put!Thank you! So well put!Helorumnoreply@blogger.com