tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post2771418320519103139..comments2024-03-07T11:40:13.694-07:00Comments on To The Remnant: How Long? Part 3: Deceiving Beings and Being DeceivedAdrian Larsenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-44701049012015417012018-09-03T16:51:00.340-06:002018-09-03T16:51:00.340-06:00Agree with Adrian. PR is not written by the Spirit...Agree with Adrian. PR is not written by the Spirit of Truth.AndEvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12475638083186094154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-52075962371592435432018-08-23T18:13:27.601-06:002018-08-23T18:13:27.601-06:00Part 3 of 3
Any TR question that you suspect a Re...Part 3 of 3<br /><br />Any TR question that you suspect a Remnant person of lying about can be interpreted to be a truthful answer. I'll give a couple examples:<br /><br />"Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator; and do you recognize him as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys?"<br /><br />What do the Brethren mean by "prophet, seer, and revelator"? They certainly don't mean anything that Mosiah 8 speaks about, do they? Are ANY of the Brethren actually DOING any prophesying, seeing, or revealing God's will? Name one published revelation. So in the sense that THEY mean, which must just be a title that sounds good, then I sustain "President" Nelson. "Priesthood keys"? What does "priesthood" mean? What do "keys" mean? Nobody defines those terms in a TR interview. These terms can mean the authority to act as the leader of the institution. I sustain Nelson as leader of the "church", which makes him the leader of "one" as he is the only member of the Corporation Sole. The Church has so far apostatized that the vocabulary we use doesn't have meaning based in Scripture anymore.<br /><br />Or take this one...<br /><br />"Do you affiliate with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with the precepts of any such group or individual?"<br /><br />Lol, this is actually the question that gets THE BRETHREN in trouble, or the Corporate Church in trouble! Need I rehearse the many apostate things the Brethren do? Just a few biggies, and these are facts, showing how the Brethren oppose the gospel. <br /><br />They (the Brethren):<br /><br />1) Deny baptism to worthy children of accountability IF their parents are gay.<br />2) Teach the anti Christ, Satanic idea that the Lord won't permit someone to sin, denying that person's free agency. That person would of course be the president of the Church whom the Lord, they lie and say, won't allow to lead the people astray. This is an "all is well in Zion", "lull them away into carnal security" precept of Satan that has single-handedly, in my view, dragged the Church down into the filthy waters of priestcraft, idolatry, and utter apostasy.<br />3) Removed the doctrine of the Church in 1921 from the Doctrine and Covenants, otherwise known as the Lectures on Faith. No Church vote. Just secretly removed it! Untold damage has been done to the faith and knowledge of the people because of this removal.<br />4) Engage in rampant censorship of ideas. This has been going on for years. This is Satanic. Repression of free speech, especially gospel-centered free speech, is evil, and a manifestation of unrighteous dominion and Satan's influence. <br />5) Spend sacred Church funds (BILLIONS of dollars) on commercial enterprises while the poor and needy are sacrificed.<br />6) Operate the Church as a business in complete darkness (seeking deep to hide their counsels) with no accountability or transparency. If questions are asked, you're branded as "apostate" and excommunicated. <br /><br />I can easily answer this question as "NO" because I believe in the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />I could take many of the questions and demonstrate how the Brethren could not answer correctly, and should therefore be denied temple recommends. Underdog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/11725899703711092900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-60885069891491430042018-08-23T18:12:29.698-06:002018-08-23T18:12:29.698-06:00Part 2
You project your own inadequacies and feel...Part 2<br /><br />You project your own inadequacies and feelings. Ironically, it's the Remnant who prove to not have the fear of man, and the mainstream member who proves to fear man. Let me explain. Has it not occurred to you that the Church is now built on the foundation of the fear of man? Take the interview practice in the Church, used extensively. You've probably not thought about it, but one of the retained flaws in the "new" ministering program is the 'return and report' component. By itself, it's not an unrighteous practice. God will ultimately have us return and report. The problem is that the practice can be used unrighteously in a hierarchical organization. How? Ask any abused youth who was identified and manipulated by a sexual predator. The return and report mechanism can be used by "ladder climbers"; those who want to please MAN (their leaders), in hopes of impressing MAN, for future status offerings (callings), i.e. callings. The temple recommend itself is a brilliant tool of coercion, is it not?Exaltation is tied to the temple, but who controls who goes to the temple? A few leaders, who all "report" to the Brethren. The "fear of man", my anonymous friend, is used by the Brethren to exercise unrighteous dominion upon the leaders at the stake and ward level, who in turn use it, following the example of their leaders, to control the membership in their units.<br /><br />Any "pretending", as you say, is done by the Brethren who literally pretend (Isa 29:13 and DC 121:41) to use persuasion, long-suffering, gentleness, meekness, and love. Feigning any of these is by definition "pretending." This is why the Lord said to not feign or pretend these qualities. And yet, this is precisely what many LDS leaders do despite that "no power of influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood". The leaders who feign meekness and love are deceived by Section 6.7.3 of CHI 1 that states the false and apostate yet perfectly legal corporate definition of "apostasy' as 'not complying with men'! We must obey leaders (even if they are themselves apostate from the gospel!), or risk being excommunicated. This is how pretenders use their priesthood. They PRETEND / FEIGN meekness and gentleness, when that is a laughably ridiculous pretense of love. If they just talk with a calm NPR voice, and check their anger and pity at the door, that must show they have love and are not abusing their authority. <br /><br />We have this culture in the Church now, and yet you want to lecture on pretense? And what of "bearing false witness"? Do the Brethren not bear witness that they are God's chosen messengers? The entire corporate house of cards is built upon their gaslighting the members with this false witness. They keep the house from falling by instilling the fear of man, using these interviews, and using the TR.<br />Underdog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/11725899703711092900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-67154482171755710932018-08-23T18:11:15.727-06:002018-08-23T18:11:15.727-06:00Part 1
Anonymous said: "Do you condone lying...Part 1<br /><br />Anonymous said: "Do you condone lying to get a recommend in the name of the Lord when you don’t really even believe?"<br /><br />First of all, just for clarity's sake, do the interviewers or interviewees testify, "In the name of Jesus Christ I ask (or answer) these questions?" No. But l will agree that the questions should be answered honestly. Second, having a recommend is not a meaningful thing to me anymore. <br /><br />"...when you really don't believe"? <br /><br />Believe what exactly? I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. I say that I know by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that Joseph was a true prophet, that the BoM is true." That makes me a believing Mormon, I do believe.<br /><br />"Pretending, bearing false witness for fear of man? "<br /><br />Most so-called remnant folks probably see being excommunicated or cast out (any form of this) as a rite of passage or badge of honor, so to speak. If one is not prepared to bear this cross, to be persecuted as Christ actually said true believers would be persecuted (Matt 5:10-12), then their belief in the Lord's latter-day work of sifting the wheat from the tares isn't quite there yet. I have no fear of man in this regard. Though I've not gone through this "rite", I fully anticipate it happening. It happened when I joined the Church actually. It was a big deal to become a Mormon. Going against the "tradition of your fathers" is always a big deal, but a relatively small price to pay to be obedient to Christ.Underdog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/11725899703711092900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-83122789454441779392018-08-23T17:24:51.328-06:002018-08-23T17:24:51.328-06:00On the subject of anonymity, many people know who ...On the subject of anonymity, many people know who the author of the blog is. I do, and everyone I know who is familiar with his blog knows who he is as well. He stays anonymous as to his public persona, but it's kind of an open secret who he is...<br /><br />Not sure if that particularly matters, as he won't publicly take responsibility for what he has written. I'm sure he has his reasons, but his public anonymity does bring certain issues with it. Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-15033747685069696042018-08-23T16:35:44.738-06:002018-08-23T16:35:44.738-06:00I'm unfamiliar with this blog, but it's be...I'm unfamiliar with this blog, but it's been said that the author is anonymous, that it's hard to raise a following when you're anonymous, and that he's not doing what he's doing for financial gain. But you say you read a book he published a year ago. Was the book published anonymously? And does he spend much time talking about the sermon on the Mount?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-46065816303310283992018-08-23T09:35:32.389-06:002018-08-23T09:35:32.389-06:00If you're interested in Paul H. Dunn's sto...If you're interested in Paul H. Dunn's story, there is ample information available, including Lynn Packer's book that details the false and embellished stories in Dunn's talks, books, and cassette tapes, as well as his shady financial dealings, fraud, and forgery. (And the LDS church's attempts to cover up the story, including firing and threatening Packer.)<br /><br />Even simple math bears out my statement about the frequency of Dunn's lying. Dunn was an active GA for 35 years before being put on emeritus status, and was a very popular speaker in General conference, at BYU, and elsewhere. Over those 35 years, he easily spoke over a pulpit hundreds, if not thousands of times, once you account for stake and regional conference assignments, his stint as mission president, etc. He was known for his fantastic stories and repeated them often. <br /><br />He also authored and sold at least 23 cassette tapes and 28 books, repeating many of the same fabricated stories, and generating significant income for him. <br /><br />If anything, I understated the case. The man was clearly a prolific liar. <br /><br />But really, that's not the point, is it? The only reason Dunn was brought up at all is that so many people "felt the spirit" when listening to his lies. The real point is that goosebumps and feels are not indicative of truth, and this is an excellent illustration. Dunn is just a sideshow. <br /><br />As for the temple recommend interview questions, no, I do not condone lying to get a recommend, but I'm curious why you bring it up. Who do you accuse of lying in such a way, and over which questions?<br /><br />Do the men with the gift of discernment performing these interviews know through "the spirit" about these lies being told to them? <br /><br />More importantly, could the leadership of the church, or the church itself honestly answer those same recommend questions? It would be an interesting study...and one I once considered writing, but have no plans to pursue. <br /><br />I note that just this week, BYU has sued three parties who asserted their legal right to request a police report from the BYU police department. This is a report that BYU has attempted strenuously to cover up, as it involves enabling a sexual predator and covering up a rape by those at very high leadership levels in the church. The BYU police department has asserted they are not actually a public entity (a police force), and therefore not subject to the laws that govern police, even though they are a police force in every sense of the title, including the legal right to make arrests, use deadly force, collect evidence and investigate crimes. A judge has ruled that they are, in fact, a real police department and they must obey applicable laws. So they are appealing to a higher court (in hopes of getting a compliant Mormon judge) and they have also sued the parties who have requested the reports, which are public records. Are they honest in their dealings with their fellow man? Were the men who attempted to cover up the Paul Dunn scandal worthy of a recommend? <br /><br />And who gets to judge that? You? Just curious because of your implied accusations of Underdog...<br />Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-59933091471719320202018-08-22T19:24:36.338-06:002018-08-22T19:24:36.338-06:00Adrian, I don’t condone lying, but you write “if n...Adrian, I don’t condone lying, but you write “if not hundreds of times”? Support please. <br /><br />Do you condone lying to get a recommend in the name of the Lord when you don’t really even believe? Pretending, bearing false witness for fear of man?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-119808654329813472018-08-20T10:45:53.981-06:002018-08-20T10:45:53.981-06:00To clarify: Paul H. Dunn lied, over the pulpit, in...To clarify: Paul H. Dunn lied, over the pulpit, in the name of Jesus Christ, dozens, if not hundreds of times, over the course of years. Yes, I would suggest that pattern makes him a liar. <br /><br />As an analogy: One time I sprinted in a race. Never did it again. And I didn't do it well. On the other hand, Usain Bolt has sprinted publicly, hundreds of times, and is world-renowned for it. <br /><br />Am I a sprinter? Is Usain Bolt? Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-37757478398571827562018-08-18T17:38:32.195-06:002018-08-18T17:38:32.195-06:00Paul H Dunn lied but does that make him a liar? A...Paul H Dunn lied but does that make him a liar? Are we not are liars then? Underdog, are you telling the truth maintaining a temple recommend by answering questions you don't believe and pretending? Careful <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-77533355028425666702018-08-14T09:10:12.126-06:002018-08-14T09:10:12.126-06:00I keep hearing that Anonymous' writing contrad...I keep hearing that Anonymous' writing contradict scripture. What are some examples?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745901786962474174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-76988614983827963972018-08-13T09:25:34.475-06:002018-08-13T09:25:34.475-06:00Radio Free Mormon (RFM) just published his latest ...Radio Free Mormon (RFM) just published his latest podcast found at https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2018/08/radio-free-mormon-038-a-whale-of-a-tale/#comment-224766. <br /><br />At about the 25-minute mark, (and I'm paraphrasing here) he testifies how he personally felt the Spirit which caused him to 'know' that what Paul H. Dunn (the exposed liar who was demoted from his position in the Quorum of the Seventy several years before the normal retirement year) was saying was true. In other words, strong feelings convinced RFM and others that the lie was true. <br /><br />This is a great example of how Satan uses feelings to deceive us. RFM testified that not just him, but thousands of people loved Paul H. Dunn. He was the best speaker of his day, RFM said. He had charisma and told great stories which caused many LDS to have faith in their religion. RFM confesses he was one of these thousands.<br /><br />Since we know that Paul H. Dunn was a liar and engaging in priestcraft, then we can safely conclude that Satan sent feelings (imitative of the same types of feelings God uses) to the saints in Dunn's time which left indelible impressions in the minds of the people. RFM confesses such feelings caused him to doubt even true things (as he apparently doubts Joseph's accounts of miracles he witnessed and testified of). <br /><br />I think the Paul H. Dunn story proves how Satan can deceive us using feelings. It teaches us that -- our eternal destiny depend on it -- we must understand that we should not accept ONLY feelings as a manifestation of truth, but that we must also look for the accompanying truth or intelligence that is conveyed if we happen to be experiencing convincing feelings. Underdog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/11725899703711092900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-30927583279173250052018-08-03T13:38:11.497-06:002018-08-03T13:38:11.497-06:00I've perused the comments on the blog, and I t...I've perused the comments on the blog, and I think some of the issues about emotions comes down to language. When some people say they "feel" the truth of something, I think that they are making reference to a phenomenon Joseph described during his sermon at King Follett's funeral: <br /><br />"I know that when I tell you these words of eternal life, that are given to me, I know you taste it and I know you believe it. You say honey is sweet and so do I. I can also taste the spirit of eternal life; I know it is good, and when I tell you of these things, that were given me by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you are bound to receive it as sweet, and I rejoice more and more." <br /><br />IMO, 'tasting the truth' is more than feeling the spirit, though I think that latter phrase is used to describe the former idea. <br /><br />Tasting truth is similar to tasting food: humans (esp. children) have a difficult time enjoying new tastes. People will often state that they dislike something, but studies show (cite: "French Kids Eat Everything") that everyone can come to like different tastes, though it sometimes takes 14 exposures. There were several times in my recent spritual journey that a truth tasted bad at first exposure ("what do you mean the church isn't true?!?"), but afterwards the truth was clearly made manifest. It may not have been my favorite flavor, but I could clearly taste the truth of it. <br /><br />I too have read much of Anonymous' writings, and while some taste good, others taste bitter. I tried to give it time, and to check my gut-reaction with the scriptures, but the more I did so the LESS true his writings tasted. Whether he is "without guile" isn't as important as whether his words taste sweet. The man's fruits are bitter, because his words contradict scripture. I haven't found where Denver's words are bitter, because I haven't found that they've contradicted scripture. The opposite, in fact, is true. After reading Denver's writings a whole new set of flavors emerged in the scriptures. What was plain-jane oatmeal because a full English Breakfast. ;) <br /><br />Language is tough, and I appreciate your attempts to lay out truth through the written language Adrian. <br /><br />Best,<br />Jeff <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-32972997336819440492018-08-01T00:54:40.449-06:002018-08-01T00:54:40.449-06:00I’m bothered by the reaction many in the Denver mo...I’m bothered by the reaction many in the Denver movement have towards the author of Pure Revelation. Most of the people that read Adrian’s blog got started down this road because they read a book that claimed they could receive a visit from the Lord and know him face to face. That was my experience. I read the Second Comforter shortly after I had a born-again experience in 2009 and was drawn to my knees daily seeking repentance and to have a closer relationship with Jesus. I hungered and thirst after righteousness 24/7. It was a marvelous time of spiritual awakening and growth. The teaching of Denver has changed my life for the better.<br />He told us in Grand Junction that we never needed to mention his name, that he wasn’t important, that the message was the important thing. I liked that and so I never mentioned his name and stuck to the teachings and my search to know God face to face. Some of us ignored his suggestion and mentioned his name over and over and even put is name in scripture. Fair enough, he didn’t ask for that but didn’t seem to care that we were now canonizing his writings. He taught that the true church was those that repented and came unto Christ. Many of us seem to think that the true church is only those that believe in Denver Snuffer and all the others are wrong. Even Denver likes to take jabs at others who claim to have a relationship with Christ.<br />Along comes the author of Pure Revelation and pretty much says the same thing Denver did in his first book and tell people that they can have a face to face relationship with Christ. He tells us the way he did it and hoped that it would help others in their search to see the Lord. He never made promises that it would work for everyone. He simple wrote how it happened for him.<br />Denver has written some pretty amazing things but so has Anonymous. His spiritual translations of some of the books of scripture are every much as amazing as the things Denver has written. There are contradictions in their writings for which, I don’t have answers. At the same time, many of the things they both have written are very similar. They both write about the glass room that over looks the earth and their vision of Christ in the Garden is very similar. They have both written things that I very much disagree with.<br />I’ve had Denver in my home and was blessed from it. I’ve also had the author of Pure Revelation in my home and was blessed from it. Anonymous is a man without guile. I have felt the spirit of both men. I’m troubled by the Denver movement replacing one true church with a new one and those who don’t believe them are on the wrong path. All of this, in light of what the Boise conference was suppose to be about. <br />Jim Chasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06507782740642921932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-62250965161973215952018-07-31T16:18:19.931-06:002018-07-31T16:18:19.931-06:00(Part 2/2)
I am a grievous sinner and have more t...(Part 2/2)<br /><br />I am a grievous sinner and have more to repent of than most. However, every now and then I realize my awful state and try to repent and turn back towards the light.<br /><br />I too want to move to the woods and spend my days studying the word of God and trying to do everything in my power to serve my family and those around me. I'm like Tevye from Fiddler On The Roof. "If I were rich I'd have the time that I lack to sit in the synagogue and pray. I'd discuss the Holy Book with the learned men 7 hours everyday, and that would be the sweetest thing of all."<br /><br />My children are falling away from Christ and I don't know how to lead them as I am as lost as they. I can only encourage you to be of good cheer. Maybe the silence from heaven is a testing of your faith in preparation for some future glorious experience.<br /><br />I often think back to the apostle who was shown the heavens as the people were stoning him. Did he ever have a vision of the heavens prior to that experience? Does this mean that I can go my entire life without ever experiencing something, as you put it, without plausible deniability?<br /><br />I don't know. It is possible that every encounter I have had with heaven has been manifestations of my own imagining or emotional reactions of sentimentality? Perhaps they were comforting thoughts of my own mind. Perhaps my brain was simply telling me what I wanted to hear. If that is the case, then my brain wants me to have faith and believe in Christ. I guess that's not too bad. If it causes me to love my fellow man and serve others, then at the very least I will go to my grave having done some good in the world.<br /><br />I know many here want the same thing as you. You are probably more prepared than I am. I spent most of my life fighting against the Church and then coming back and then fighting again. My pride and ambitions and judgement of others are my greatest sins that cause the heavens to close to me.<br /><br />I hope you will be courageous though and never give up. I want to have my calling and election made sure. I want knowledge from on high. I want to be in Zion and finally be free of the oppression and subjugation that controls our lives. I want greater things than what I have, nevertheless, I have had no visions of heaven. I have had no angelic ministers. I have had no dramatic, life altering revelations. I am a simple man who is intimately aware of his profound ignorance, and I struggle every day. I think this is a good thing though. I think this is the refining process that, for some, takes a lifetime.<br /><br />I have heard it said before that experienced like Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lehi, Nephi, The Brother of Jared, and many more and reserved for specific people at specific times to be messengers to the world. They were the great and noble spirits chosen from the foundation of the world. Perhaps I am not one of those people? Perhaps this life is meant for me to simply move one rung up the ladder. I think most us are struggling with these questions. <br /><br />For me, I know that I am not ready, no matter how much my heart wants it. I don’t know if this will help you, but I hope hat you will find some solace knowing that many of us are going through the same testing and refining process.EternalWarfare4Soulshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10739502249048025062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-6380975789108658582018-07-31T16:16:28.175-06:002018-07-31T16:16:28.175-06:00Part (1/2)
I went through a similar experience. O...Part (1/2)<br /><br />I went through a similar experience. One day I was thinking about going back to school and I really wanted to become the next High Nibley. I looked into going to BYU and doing their Near Middle Eastern Studies (which I later found out only qualifies you for a job as an Institute Instructor and is pretty worthless) and prayed about it. I felt the impression that the way would be opened for me.<br />I spent the next week preparing every needful thing to move to Utah and go to BYU. Then I got my rejection letter from the college. What!?!? But the Lord had told me that the way would be opened for me. Everything else was in place for me to move, work, and pay for college. My wife (a native to Utah who HATES the cold), was even going to support me since I had prayed and received an answer.<br />Needless to say, this caused serious doubts in my mind. Was everything I had received from heaven just my own thoughts. Had God ever talked to me at all. I spent an entire day praying as I drove around the city doing my work. At one point, with tear in my eyes, I told God that if He would give me an answer I would never doubt again. Silence. I went into the building where my next job was and did my job.<br />I left that job and as I pulled up to the light I started my prayer again. "Please Lord, I don't want to be a fool. I don't want people to ridicule me. I don't want to face the opposition of my peers on nothing but my imaginations."<br />The next thing that happened, the only way I can describe it, the world paused for a brief moment and everything became still. Then a thought entered into my head.<br />"Fear not, but be believing. For so they persecuted me while I was on the earth. They called me a fool and hated me for the truth. Men will revile you and call you a fool, but be of good cheer. For Lo, I am with thee, even until the end of the earth." Then the world came back and I found myself overcome with love and joy. I am definitely the least among Saints. I can count on one hand the spiritual manifestations that have occurred in my life over the last 5 years. This one solidified my faith in Christ and my faith that God and Christ are intimately involved in our lives.<br />Another time I was driving to a job and I saw a man on the side of the road hitchhiking for ride in the opposite direction. I had been praying all day trying to get answers about priesthood. I saw him raise his hands in the air as if pleading unto heaven. Something inside urged me to help this man. I pulled around and picked him up. Long story short, everything about this man’s life mirrored my own. He had been a drug addict, a veteran of the military, church raised, middle child, same age, same amount of children, and he needed a ride to the hospital where his son was about to be born. We talked about the book of Revelation, and he said that he had been asking God for every needful thing. I asked him if he had asked God what he (the man) could do for him. This was an astonishing suggestion and extremely insightful to him. When I dropped him off I finally asked what his name was. His first and middle name was the same as mine.<br />As he left, and I began to pull away from the hospital, a feeling of complete love washed over me. I knew in that moment that God was pleased with what I had done. It was a feeling of indescribable joy.EternalWarfare4Soulshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10739502249048025062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-42678577347842085402018-07-25T20:55:00.505-06:002018-07-25T20:55:00.505-06:00Adrian,
I would like to make a few comments on yo...Adrian,<br /><br />I would like to make a few comments on your blog, if I may. I don't usually comment, but as I read of some of your readers frustrations with getting answers to prayer, felt that I would like to comment on a few things I have learned through the years about getting answers to prayer.<br /><br />1. As you said, I really had to humble myself to the dust and put it all on the altar and commit myself to Jesus Christ. This included dreams, hopes, everything.<br /><br />2. One of the most effective prayers was to consistently ask the Lord to reveal to me how he answers my prayers. I grew up with hearing speakers list the ways God answers prayers but every list I ever heard was so incomplete. God is creative and answers prayers in lots of ways, depending on the individual. I was astounded when I finally understood that a common way for the Lord to answer my prayers, was to send me something to read. Sometimes an article (one article I was encouraged to read answered a question that I had been praying about for at least 20 years), books, blogs, websites, etc. I'm a reader so this hasn't been a hardship, but no one had ever even suggested in those talks on how the Lord answers prayers, that he might send us something to study. Which reminds me of the scripture that says something about taking to thought but to ask, sometimes we need to study.<br /><br />3. This is a valid question to ask all our lives. There was one particular way that the Lord had used in answering my prayers, and then it stopped. I asked why the Lord wasn't answering my prayers in that particular manner anymore, because I had really liked getting answers in that way and clearly told, "you have mastered that form of receiving answers but you need to learn other ways." Which has been tough for me, I still need to learn what new ways he is using to answer my prayers now.<br /><br />4. I may be the only person that does this, but I have overlooked answers to prayers because I was expecting a certain answer or for the answer to come in a certain way. When I finally understood what I was doing, I was absolutely astounded at how I was blocking my personal revelation because of pre-conceived ideas (including the lists of how God answers prayers.) I'm sorry to admit that I even missed absolute miracles due to what I guess was my hardheartedness. <br /><br />I have found that when I am in tune and recognizing God's hand in my life that he is extremely generous. For me, when I'm having trouble receiving answers to prayers it's been either that I was drifting away from the Lord and I needed to repent and turn to Him again, it wasn't the right time for that prayer to be answered, or, sometimes, I'm asking the wrong question.<br /><br />I hope for those struggling to get the answers to prayer that these thoughts will be helpful for them. <br /><br />ElleeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-50818128470834408672018-07-19T11:01:28.717-06:002018-07-19T11:01:28.717-06:00For me personally I read PR's blog, I bought h...For me personally I read PR's blog, I bought his book, read it, and tried to put it into practice. Hours of sitting in the quiet darkness, praying, trying to open my mind in the way he described. You know what I got? Nothing. The next logical questions are: did I do it wrong? Is this another false path to Christ? Is it just not the right time for me to learn of heaven? Am I so unworthy that God would not speak to me even though he spoke to Cain the murderer?<br /><br />Regardless, I put forth effort, did not receive a positive result, and put it aside. One finds truth through experimentation do they not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-21155250841686981612018-07-18T21:33:15.446-06:002018-07-18T21:33:15.446-06:00Thanks for the reply Adrian! I think we are in ag...Thanks for the reply Adrian! I think we are in agreement. I love the connection. I try to keep it strong. I do hear the voice, but as Denver has said, He comes at His determination. So the voice in the mind is much less frequent than I would like. However, the voice does agree with the connection. They are in harmony. The voice confirmed Denver was a true messenger, so I soak up as much as I can from him as well. I appreciate the time he puts into teaching us. The weekly podcasts and blog entries truly help me to stay in alignment and helps to keep the connection strong. He frequently teaches on the very thing I am struggling with at the time. <br /><br />I’m not sure, but I think the Lord often uses the least method He can to communicate to us, because of the influences we are subject to from the opposition. So if He can get across what He needs us to understand through the connection or inclinations, or words from true messengers and scriptures, then we won’t be as subject to Satan’s influences as much as if we received paragraphs from Him, or a grand vision or angelic visitations. I think He does it to protect us. But when they are necessary for His purposes He will utilize any or all of the above. I know more than I can say. <br /><br />Granted He does some really cool things, and I do love what He does, but usually they are an awesome surprise and not at all controlled by me. If they were controlled by me, I would keep Him busy 24/7! :) These are just some of my own experiences. <br /><br />I think the most important thing in trying to discern truth is to test it and have the Spirit confirm it. I have a file in my mind where I keep different concepts. I don’t reject them, but don’t take them into myself either. As I study and read materials from different origins, and the same concept comes up in other materials, I see if they line up, if they do, I give it more credence. Then I wait for the Spirit to confirm, to send proof before I take it into myself. Sometimes I think I understand something, but I wait to see if I can get a better understanding. When I do, I may have to change what I thought originally, and that is ok. My main tests are a witness from the Spirit including teachings from true messengers confirmed to be true by a witness of the Spirit, and alignment with the scriptures. Anything not passing those tests, I put in the - to be determined file and take it with a grain of salt. <br /><br />The problem with taking in false precepts is, when we do, we take a degree of darkness into ourselves. Then it is harder to discern the next thing. If we take another false precept in, well we get darker still. At some point lies look like truths and truths look like lies. The darkness cuts off the connection, then we are on our own. Not a good thing. That’s when Satan just leads us down to hell and we think we are going to heaven. Surprise Surprise - I find it a good thing to repent of what I don’t know and what I don’t understand correctly, then ask the Lord to show me my errors, so I can correct them. Losing the connection is an early warning signal to me that I need to figure out what is in error and repent and get back in the right way. These are just some of my observations, test them out and take them with a grain of salt. <br />Thanks, LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-51511709904683552882018-07-18T10:40:52.701-06:002018-07-18T10:40:52.701-06:00Marti's conjectural explanation about Horus/Os...Marti's conjectural explanation about Horus/Osiris was brought to my attention this morning and I decided to clarify: My understanding is based on Hugh Nibley's inquiry and exposition in "The Joseph Smith Papyrii: An Egyptian Endowment". His analysis agrees with the more recent Egyptologists conclusions that the figure "Wsr Wr" was the Osiris-Horus figure, a single individual. This was the original faith that lasted approximately 2,000 years. The original identity was a single individual holding the name Horus is in the Pyramid Text. Over a long period of development, there was Horus the elder and Horus the younger, with the identities separating over thousands of years. During the New Kingdom they became separately identified by the two names, but this was late in their religious development. Nibley uses Wsr Wr to describe Osirus-Horus who is one individual. Horus was Son Amun in heaven and Osiris on earth. The earliest Dynasties were the most faithful to the traditions from Adam.Denver Snufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300815485894651798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-26521282803250625532018-07-17T19:53:10.775-06:002018-07-17T19:53:10.775-06:00Unknown,
Amen brother. Amen. My heart breaks that...Unknown,<br /><br />Amen brother. Amen. My heart breaks that the ceiling above me is brass. Jesus tells me to ask and I'll receive. I ask and the heavens are silent. I've been deceived by the people I trusted, and with heaven silent, whom do I trust now? I am left to exclaim, "Oh wicked man that I am." And, I am certainly not worthy of any communication from God. I am worthy of death and hell. That's all I've earned - even on my best day. Even on my best day.<br /><br />I plead for mercy, that God would condescend to talk to me, to help me find truth. Not because I'm worthy of his attention. But because of his mercy. And there are just years and years and years of silence. It is to the point where I imagine judgment day standing (or laying prostrate) before God and saying, "I can only interpret the silence as your disapproval for the life I lived. I am so sorry. Please allow me to apologize to all those I harmed and then allow me to go in peace to a place where I can do no more harm."<br /><br />I typically comment with my name. In this instance, it's too personal for me to sign in a public place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-38498777245893046582018-07-17T16:53:13.500-06:002018-07-17T16:53:13.500-06:00I think we all get different answers depending upo...I think we all get different answers depending upon our different questions. Sometimes our own traditions influence the answers we receive. I really enjoyed Denver's Divine Parents paper until the very end where it completely went off the rails. Maybe I am not open to truth, or may my intuition tells me that the end of the paper was "off" - but it gives us all the opportunity to seek answers from God. Why would Eve have to be the spiritual and physical daughter of Mother and Father in Heaven but Adam had to be the spiritual son but the physical son of Mary and Jesus? How can that possibly be? If Eve had to be a higher creation by being both a physical and spiritual daughter of Mother and Father, then why are not women honored and revered - why is everything on this earth so patriarchal? It makes no sense to me. I am not denigrating Denver but I am putting forth the thought that all of us make mistakes ... every one of us. Prophets are not prophets all the time. Also Denver's assertion that Osiris and Horus are the same only one was pre-mortal and the other mortal is completely false. He got that teaching from John Hall. When you go to the Egyptians, their belief is what I was told by Spirit ... Horus is the physical son of Osiris. Denver and John Hall are absolutely wrong on their assumption. We have to be accountable to God himself ... and not allow another to be our light. We have to ask about everything and get a confirmation on everything. Otherwise we are not centered in Jesus. Both Denver and Pure Revelations were absolutely necessary for my own growth and experiences, but neither have all the answers or truth. When we put someone up as our light and ultimate truth, then we are allowed to be deceived.Marti Grobeckernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-61219123209363644182018-07-17T14:43:13.194-06:002018-07-17T14:43:13.194-06:00Marti,
Thanks for your comments. And I appreciate...Marti,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments. And I appreciate Adrian's list of five thoughts. <br /><br />I finally figured out that you were referring to https://purerevelations.wordpress.com, which Adrian has linked to above.<br /><br />So I clicked on it to do some research. I was not familiar with that blog, but I did read the author's book, "How to Have Your Second Comforter" about a year ago. I found some of it to make a lot of sense as I quickly read through it, but at the same time it had the feel of a New Age (occult) book.<br /><br />I was drawn to it initially, out of curiosity because the subject is of great interest.<br /><br />After spending an hour on the blog today for the first time, a few things I found interesting:<br /><br />1) Zero mention of Denver Snuffer. Zilch. That in and of itself isn't a deal breaking red flag, but I do nevertheless find it a red flag that this "prophet" who receives "pure revelations" has NOTHING to say about a person whose teachings he is undoubtedly intimately familiar with, and who is on a trajectory to be potentially the greatest prophet to ever walk the earth. You can't search the comments, so perhaps he's made a comment on Denver. But, to me, when the Lord has established an Ensign to the nations, and eternal truths are pouring out through a man who communes with Jehovah, to say NOTHING about that man, and then to set ONESELF up as a light smacks of priestcraft.<br /><br />2) Virtually nothing on Zion. Denver has written books and hundreds of thousands of words on the subject. <br /><br />3) Nothing on temples, except this "A temple can be any place made holy by God’s glory, the pillar of light" found in his May 22, 2018 comment section (comment by him. Compare to Denver's teachings on the temple. Night and Day. Desert and oasis.<br /><br />4) Nothing on Covenants. Compare to what Denver has taught on covenants. Crickets chirping vs. a deluge of Living Water.<br /><br />5) Sprinkled throughout his blog are "thus saith the Lord" statements or "revelations". What's the purpose in saying "the Lord told me" so and so? More priestcraft.<br /><br />Granted, I only spent an hour browsing through the blog, and though there is some good stuff in it, that blog is dripping with priestcraft, is my sense. What did Sherem, Nehor and Korihor have in common? They all set themselves up as a light. <br /><br />The way to settle it, is for him to address in a post the question of Denver Snuffer and the New Covenant. He did have a post called "How I Measure a Prophet". He says, "There are prophets everywhere you look," and then ignores Denver "the elephant in the room" Snuffer.<br /><br />My guess is he rejects Denver as one "sent". He's trying to compete with Denver. But if he rejects Denver, he rejects God. Because, as it is written: "And though the heaven and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants it is the same." Underdog2https://www.blogger.com/profile/11725899703711092900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-45866490668576640902018-07-17T13:13:54.116-06:002018-07-17T13:13:54.116-06:00I would ask those who believe that both Denver and...I would ask those who believe that both Denver and the anonymous Pure Revelations person teach the truth to compare Denver's teachings in his Our Divine Parents talk with what is claimed by Pure Revelations in his Witness of the Temporal Dispensations booklet regarding the parentage of Adam and Eve. The teachings are incompatible. If what Denver taught in Our Divine Parents regarding the parentage of Adam and Eve is true, then Pure Revelations teaching in the quote below is necessarily false. The following is a quote from Page 21 of the Temporal Dispensations booklet:<br /><br />"I was with the Lord again at the Throne and wished to ask more questions. I sometimes feel funny asking some of the stranger questions, but He always seems happy to answer them. I asked about the mother of Adam and Eve in this world. I wanted to know about her and where she came from. I saw a dark-skinned woman. She reminded me of a beautiful woman from India. She was tall with long dark hair. I was told she came on a vessel from another world with two other couples. Their vessel contained many different animals and species, like an ark. They brought their knowledge with them. I was told there were five arks from different worlds that came to this earth. Each settled a different part of the world. They were led here by the angels of God. Once they landed, their vessels were disassembled and destroyed. Adam and Eve and the people who nurtured them settled in the area of North America. The mother of Adam and Eve in the flesh was named Shiffrin and her husband, Shokula. The names sound strange, but that's what I was given."<br /><br />https://purerevelations.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/the-temporal-dispensations-12-15-20171.pdf<br /><br />Shiffrin and Shokula . . . really?<br /><br />This is just one of MANY incompatibilities with Denver's teachings I have found in my review of the Pure Revelations materials.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-65710742177467568092018-07-17T09:00:40.475-06:002018-07-17T09:00:40.475-06:00Dear Adrian, than you very much for allowing me to...Dear Adrian, than you very much for allowing me to have a voice on your forum. I do not post often but I do read and have benefited from your postings and the comments of others.<br /><br />Please allow me to address the personal acquaintance comment you posted. It is by the implementing the teachings of both Denver and Pure Revelations that allowed me to have experiences. It wasn't just because I have a personal acquaintance, but because I did the hard work of implementing the teachings. I had to go through hell and have experiences of learning discernment, but even Denver said years and years ago that in order to receive your Second Comforter, you have to go through hell and one needs to be prepared for that. My experiences of learning discernment required me to be humiliated, embarrassed, having to repent, and yet not giving up. Falling and failing and having to get up and dust off the pride and idolatry and begging for mercy and humility. I believe the two most important things one is required to have in order to progress in the eternities is discernment and charity. <br /><br />Both Denver and Pure Revelations teachings were absolutely necessary for me. Implementing them was hard work but the fruits of both are evident to those who will try them. Why would God tell us about spiritual gifts in scripture, if He did not expect us to experiment with them? I agree that Nemelka and Mark Hoffman were and are deceivers but to put Pure Revelations in that category is rather appalling. His teachings about baptism of fire and the Gift of the Holy Ghost and his experiences with the Savior only brought forth good fruit for me. If it had not been for his teachings, I would have stagnated. God is no respecter of persons and gives His authority and gifts to those he loves and TRUSTS. I do not believe Denver is the only authorized and gifted prophet upon the earth. God is an incredible God and he is much bigger than the boxes we tend to become comfortable in. God has many representatives on the earth. But our problem is that we are so scared of making mistakes we limit ourselves and only put a toe into the water of revelation when in fact God wants us to baptized in it. <br /><br />Yes there are false prophets and false spirits roaming the earth. But there are also those who are true prophets who experience the gifts of the spirit. And yes Adrian you are correct ... each One has to discern for themselves, repent and come unto God ... not just cry unto God, but come unto Him. He is so merciful and so just. There is one thing I can share which has had the most impact upon my life. When one enters into His presence you experience Love that is so overwhelming you cannot describe it ... you cannot even think of it without becoming a heap of tears and humility and awe. When one experiences the Savior, you want everyone to come to know Him and the Mother and the Father and one comes back repenting all the time. Your prayers are filled with intense pleading for those in sin and for judgment to be stayed for one understands innately that those who are lost will experience terrible torments of regret and pain. You are pleading for all to be forgiven and pleading for them to also encounter Jesus so that their hearts are purified and filled with love ... you become a different person. <br /><br />That would not have happened to me if I had not implemented the teachings of both Denver and Pure Revelations. Because of both I experienced something that I cannot deny. The old me was shed and a new creation was born. God is good ... Merciful and kind and loving but he is also Just ... and for those who do not repent I cannot even begin to imagine the pain that they will have to endure for a season. I understand why the BOM prophets cried unto the Lord for their brethren. And I hope you also will have this experience.<br /><br /><br />Marti Grobeckernoreply@blogger.com