tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post952807560435166661..comments2024-03-26T14:29:25.921-06:00Comments on To The Remnant: Scripture Overhead, Conclusion: The Doctrine of ChristAdrian Larsenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-81482154382666734462016-02-25T12:50:13.177-07:002016-02-25T12:50:13.177-07:00Hi Remnant,
You misunderstood my meaning about t...Hi Remnant, <br /><br />You misunderstood my meaning about the "last movie I saw" comparison. But I'll let it stand. You've made your points here for readers to evaluate, and I don't care to argue them point by point. <br /><br />I think it bears repeating that misunderstood definitions of words throw us all off the trail of truth. Words like covenant, priesthood, dispensation, house, Israel, eternal, times, fulness, church and gospel have taken on completely new and inaccurate usage in the last 170 years. Until we recover the meanings the Lord intends, we cannot understand his word and we simply talk past one another.<br /><br />I hope to one day have time to blog about some of these words and their meanings. <br /><br />God bless you, Remnant, in your quest for truth.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-19794762671709037672016-02-25T12:10:39.571-07:002016-02-25T12:10:39.571-07:00Adrian-
thanks for the replies! It's nice to...Adrian-<br /><br />thanks for the replies! It's nice to see that you'll allows posts that disagree or contradict what you believe!<br /><br />You'll notice in my previous post, I asked if my "assumptions" were correct, not merely just stating that I correctly assumed your position. I'm asking the questions to help you clarify your position because there are many areas that are not clear. However, your reply does help clear up some of those. <br /><br />You wrote: "Star Wars is the last movie I saw. It doesn't mean I'll never see another. Every dispensation is the "last" dispensation, until another comes."<br /><br />The quote by Joseph Smith was "You will receive instructions through the order of the Priesthood which God has established through the medium of those appointed to lead, guide and direct the affairs of the Church IN THIS LAST dispensation" speaking of the dispensation in which he lived. <br /><br />It's a far stretch to imply that he's referring to the dispensation in which he's living as the previous dispensation. You're basically saying he said this: "in the future, you will receive instruction from those who lead the church in this dispensation until the next dispensation."<br /><br />further in D&C 27:13, the Lord states to Joseph Smith, "unto whom I have committed the keys of my kingdom and a dispensation of the gospel for the last times; and for the fulness of times, in the which I will gather in one all things, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth;"<br /><br />Also, in an epistle to the church, Joseph Smith wrote: "for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time. And not only this, but those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times." (D&C 128:18)<br /><br />After reading the above quotes of Joseph Smith, I believe we are living in that same dispensation!<br /><br />A key sign that we have that the times of the gentiles is fulfilled is that the gospel would then go to the lost tribes. This is not occurring (yet). D&C 45 states that "they shall be gathered again; but they shall remain until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."<br /><br />Migration that is a result of fulfilling the covenant will be a spiritual gathering first, then a physical gathering, second. In other words, obedience first, then the blessing. Conversion first, then migration. <br /><br />"But behold, thus saith the Lord God: When the day cometh that they shall believe in me, that I am Christ, then have I covenanted with their fathers that they shall be restored in the flesh, upon the earth, unto the lands of their inheritance." (2 Nephi 10:7)<br /><br />We're really talking about two covenants in one. 1) is covenants of the gospel (all of the blessings, particularly eternal blessings that pertain to the blessings of living the gospel) and that are only available in the covenant and 2) the promise/covenant that God made to Abraham and Jacob that he would remember their seed and bring them back into the gospel covenant. Lands of promise are included but only after they've been converted back into the gospel covenant. <br /><br />I believe your timing is off!<br /><br />Remnant of Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-11265609322647464782016-02-25T00:03:23.971-07:002016-02-25T00:03:23.971-07:00You ask many questions, Remnant. Please forgive me...You ask many questions, Remnant. Please forgive me if I simply don't have time to get to all of them or answer in detail. I'm really not interested debating point by point. And, as you state two paragraphs after you say you won't make assumptions, you're still making assumptions.<br /><br />Well, be that as it may, I have a number of reasons for asserting the times of the gentiles are fulfilled, including Isaiah 11, Jacob 5-6, 2 Nephi 25 and 29, D&C 45, 1 Nephi 15, and others I won't go into here. <br /><br />The flood of immigrants is one of the signs the prophecies are being fulfilled. There are other signs as well, and things are just getting started.<br /><br />Star Wars is the last movie I saw. It doesn't mean I'll never see another. Every dispensation is the "last" dispensation, until another comes.<br /><br />Another has come through Denver Snuffer. God has sent an authorized servant bearing His word. Before we make too much of priesthood, we need to get rid of all the false definitions of that word we've come to accept. (Which is very hard for LDS people to do, by the way.) <br /><br />Changing definitions is one of Satan's favorite tactics because it allows us to keep using the same vocabulary as Joseph, but with completely different meanings and understanding.<br /><br />Sorry, I simply can't answer every question, or I'll never have time to write anything more.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-3831260291702566712016-02-24T13:33:16.023-07:002016-02-24T13:33:16.023-07:00The only role he claims is teacher. He has publicl...The only role he claims is teacher. He has publicly, repeatedly stated that claiming titles is foolish. When the work is done, you can claim the title. Trying to claim a title before that is nothing more than vanity.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-69445647957696356812016-02-24T13:28:13.472-07:002016-02-24T13:28:13.472-07:00Adrian-
It appears from multiple places on your b...Adrian-<br /><br />It appears from multiple places on your blog, that you're claiming Denver Snuffer is a key "servant" mentioned in scripture, yet on his own blog he's denying he plays any significant role. Why do think that is?<br /><br />Remnant of Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-7675848233166106482016-02-21T17:00:13.318-07:002016-02-21T17:00:13.318-07:00Adrian-
Your are right, I may have drawn conclus...Adrian- <br /><br />Your are right, I may have drawn conclusions assuming some things! I apologize for that! I hope you'll continue to entertain my thoughts if only to help you refine your thinking, but to help me clarify your stance.<br /><br />You stated that the "The Times of the Gentiles have ended". I'll ask the question instead of making assumptions. How do you draw this conclusion, other than the push of immigrants from the various countries to the Gentile nations? <br /><br />Speaking of the scattered remnant, D&C 45:25 mentions "But they shall be gathered again: but they shall remain until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." <br /><br />Am I correct in assuming this is one scripture where you're applying this idea that the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled? If so, am I correctly assuming that this increase in immigration is the qualifier, that the scattered remnant have returned? And in other words, the "gathering" you're inferring here is merely physical and not spiritual? How is bringing in hundreds of thousands into Gentile lands fulfilling the Abrahamic covenant? Is there a spiritual aspect to the gathering? How do you see this unfolding?<br /><br />D&C 45 also states "when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light will break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel:"<br /><br />Do you consider this the coming forth of the Book of Mormon & restoration or some other event?<br /><br />Also, I see that you consider the "coming flood" (or according to you "current" flood" being immigration. Is this correct? Have you considered any other type of "flood"?<br /><br />You also stated, that "A New Dispensation is Upon Us". I hope you'll help me understand why you think this is? Do you agree or disagree with this statement by Elder Bednar? "A gospel dispensation is a period of time in which the necessary priesthood authority, ordinances, and doctrinal knowledge are found on the earth to implement the Father’s plan of salvation for His children. Essential to the establishment of a dispensation is an authorized servant of God, a dispensation head, who holds and exercises the authority and keys of the holy priesthood." Can you clarify, who is this Priesthood leader? Does Denver Snuffer claim to be this person? My understanding is that he's not said this. Are you declaring this to be Denver Snuffer? If not, who is it? What ordinances are being done, and where?<br /><br />Joseph Smith stated, as recorded in TPJS 228: "You will receive instructions through the order of the Priesthood which God has established through the medium of those appointed to lead, guide and direct the affairs of the Church in this last dispensation: and I now turn the key in your behalf in the name of the Lord, and this Society shall rejoice, and knowledge and intelligence shall flow down from this time henceforth, this is the beginning of better days to the poor and need, who shall be made to rejoice and pour forth blessings on your heads."<br /><br />In the above quote, he states two important things. 1) that this is the last dispensation (dispensation of the fulness of times) and 2) that instructions will come through the order of the Priesthood by those that are appointed to direc the affairs of the church. What is your response to this?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Remnant of Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-56382547938508525842016-02-19T17:17:36.496-07:002016-02-19T17:17:36.496-07:00Hi Remnant,
To a great degree, you're both mi...Hi Remnant,<br /><br />To a great degree, you're both misinterpreting and making assumptions about what I'm saying. (You said it yourself, about the assuming.) <br /><br />Some of the contradictions you set up above are the result of pushing assumptions too far. <br /><br />I don't think it's profitable for me to attempt to address your assertions point by point. Suffice to say, I do not believe most of the things you claim I do.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-11294520745616707742016-02-19T16:56:39.493-07:002016-02-19T16:56:39.493-07:00Adrian-
I believe this along with most of your p...Adrian- <br /><br />I believe this along with most of your posts are sincere. I for one, believe you are misled and are interpreting many things incorrectly and have the timing off on many other things.<br /><br />For example, you said that the church was rejected because they rejected "the servant" whom you say is Denver Snuffer. However you also said the church lost the Priesthood in 1844 quoting D&C 124:27, (even though this revelation was given in 1841) however I believe you're misinterpreting this scripture also. If you continue to read in that section, you'll see that - after what you interpret as having lost the priesthood (again),- that the Lord continues to encourage them to continue with baptisms for the dead and to build the temple. The rest of the section contradicts the assertion you're making. <br /><br />You're implying that the current church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not the Lord's church nor fulfilling any of His prophesied purposes and hasn't been since 1844. However, a reading of 1 Nephi tells a different story when the angel of the Lord showed Nephi in vision, our day - the Church of the Lamb who's numbers were few among all the nations of the Gentiles, and that all of the nations of the Gentiles were gathered together to fight against the Lamb and his church. I've read your interpretation that a "church" is just a group, but surely you can't imply this here?<br /><br />Further, the Times of the Gentiles are not yet fulfilled. I'm assuming you're alluding to Denver Snuffer and his books/message as equating to the "light" breaking forth in the darkness? (the fulness of the gospel)<br /><br />I'm also assuming you believe Denver Snuffer again being equivalent to the Lord making bare his arm in the eyes of all the nations? If so, I'm curious to how you draw this conclusion and what you see happening in the near future? <br /><br />99% of the members of the LDS church have no clue who he is, yet alone the rest of the world. Is this considered rejection?<br /><br />Also, I don't believe you're interpreting 3 Nephi 16:10-11 correctly. I believe your take is entirely opposite of it's meaning.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Remnant of Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-29731288048074749022016-02-05T10:56:59.827-07:002016-02-05T10:56:59.827-07:00Yes, Jim, forgive my error. I meant accepted.
JVH...Yes, Jim, forgive my error. I meant accepted. <br />JVHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-67541971011380420962016-01-31T08:48:57.379-07:002016-01-31T08:48:57.379-07:00I'm almost done with lecture 3.
There is tru...I'm almost done with lecture 3. <br /><br />There is truth in these. Nothing that already hasn't been pointed out by others from a doctrinal standpoint. <br /><br />However, the main difference is that I find myself being kinder. More patient and loving toward others. <br /><br />Baptism for me isn't a "test the waters" kind of thing. It's binding and permanent. <br /><br />While I feel good about the message I hope to finish all lectures and have an answer. <br /><br />I think what has been missing was I was asking just to ask and expecting the Lord to answer without fully having studied the issue or lectures out in my mind. Ahuizotlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-7138813163261443172016-01-28T20:49:37.196-07:002016-01-28T20:49:37.196-07:00Ahuizotl,
Thanks for sharing your experience. I w...Ahuizotl,<br /><br />Thanks for sharing your experience. I went through a similar struggle --praying and fasting a great deal, without getting an answer about Denver’s message. I finally did get an answer, here is how it happened:<br /><br />I realized that I would need to take social risks and conduct experiments that would take me far out of my comfort zone, in order to obtain knowledge. <br /><br />In order to do this, I made myself vulnerable to my extended family. I let them know I was investigating the matter with real intent, and asked for their help in the investigation process. I also posted my comments and questions about Denver’s message on various blogs, using my full name, rather than posting under the safety of anonymity. <br /><br />I think that these actions proved to the Lord that I was serious about getting to the bottom of the matter, and he was then bound to answer. For others, the Lord might require something different, but for me this kind of vulnerability was a necessary step. <br /><br />I haven’t seen God or angels, but I do have a conviction that Denver’s core message is accurate. That conviction didn’t come until after I risked my reputation and my social comfort in a whole-hearted effort to understand what the truth of the matter was. <br /><br />Asking with real intent is often a distasteful proposition, because it requires us to adjust our lives, during a trial period, and live according to the words or ideas we are testing, --to provisionally treat those words as being of divine origin. It is socially expensive to engage in these kind of experiments, and it is fairly common to be socially harmed (losing friends, family, job, reputation) in the process. <br /><br />As a theoretical concept, exercising faith is easy -- just obey the words you want to test, and see where it takes you. But in practice it is quite difficult because it costs something precious -- social credit and reputation. One has to risk looking like a fool in front of the whole world (2 Nephi 9:42-43) in order to test certain words or ideas with sincerity.<br /><br />Here are some steps that you might consider taking, in line with John 7:17 and Alma 32:<br /><br />--Make yourself vulnerable to your friends, church leaders, and family; let them know you are considering the possibility that Denver’s message is valid, ask for their help in your investigation.<br />--Yield to Denver’s invitation and get rebaptized, as an experiment upon the word.<br />--Start using your real name in blog posts.<br /><br />Where might you end up after engaging in these experiments? You would likely begin to discern with clarity whether the words are from Christ or not, because you will have tasted and experienced them for yourself, and will be in a position to accurately judge their source (Moroni 7:15). And if, after your most sincere and honest experimentation, the seed doesn’t germinate, doesn’t become delicious to you, doesn’t enlighten your mind, and doesn’t enlarge your soul, then you can rightly discard it. <br /><br />Based on your post in this thread, I think that your intent is around 90 to 95 percent. I think the 5 to 10 percent that you are missing is the “leap of faith” part of the equation. <br /><br />This might be a somewhat clichéd example, but when Indiana Jones is standing at the Lion’s head, and his father’s notebook says to step off the ledge, it seems really insane, it seems like a step into certain death. He goes for broke and takes the step. After that, the way across the chasm becomes obvious, but prior to that it was completely hidden from view. Even though he was right on top of the answer as he was peering over the edge, he couldn’t see the answer until he risked his life to test the words (cross ref Matthew 10:34-39). <br /><br />Hebrews 11 says that we can’t please God unless we are willing to push forward, and seek for him without reserve -- to take hold of whatever points to Christ, and to test those paths honestly, regardless of the risks, without holding back. I believe that is what God wants from us, and that it will eventually get us into his presence.<br />Joe Murffhttp://www.mormonpolicyreview.com/home.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-49917813302371087382016-01-26T19:29:45.028-07:002016-01-26T19:29:45.028-07:00Beautiful questions, Ahuizotl, questions that lie ...Beautiful questions, Ahuizotl, questions that lie at the heart of salvation. Who speaks for God? Who is authorized to exercise his power in the cause of salvation? In every age that light and truth has been on the earth it has been challenging to find answers. There never has been an obvious path to salvation but what required faith and humility leading to repentance and personal revelation. Even the majority of folks at the time of John the Baptist, Jesus or Peter struggled to perceive what was being offered.<br /><br />Regardless of where our hearts lie, your experience with Watcher is a cautionary tale for all of us. No man can mediate our salvation. Not Watcher, not Denver Snuffer, not President Monson, not Warren Jeffs. Because he loves truth, Adrian would probably be the first to caution you against blindly taking his word for anything. The same goes for Denver. The same went for Joseph Smith. Those who know will never demand your loyalty, money or obedience. <br /><br />I’d concure with Adrian’s invitation to explore Denver’s 10-part talk. As I listened to each talk myself I spontaneously experienced a witness of the spirit that came unbidden. I taught Gospel Doctrine for several years and was impressed with the pattern of ancient prophets who ran off the rails in the pursuit of wealth, power and dominion. The spirit has also born witness to me that Denver is not one of those guys, which is exciting to me.Pattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-11254071750162232572016-01-26T17:56:08.206-07:002016-01-26T17:56:08.206-07:00Thanks for asking these.
As for Denver's aut...Thanks for asking these. <br /><br />As for Denver's authority to teach what he does, he has stated that Christ has given him the words to speak and the commission to speak them. That's all the authority needed; which is to say, there is no need of any earthly authority to authorize one whom the Lord has sent.<br /><br />As for authority to baptize, that requires Aaronic priesthood ordination and then a bestowal of power from God. Alma at the waters of Mormon is an example. He had already been ordained a priest, but before he undertook to begin baptizing, he prayed and asked God to empower him to perform the ordinance. God did so, and Alma baptized. We should follow this pattern.<br /><br />As for LDS priesthood: Remember, the LDS Church does not own or control priesthood. John the Baptist restored the Aaronic priesthood before the church even existed. Priesthood ordination lines are not dependent on the Church, despite what the Church would have us believe.<br /><br />Denver is not organizing a church. In fact, Denver is not organizing anything at all. He is merely teaching truth and inviting all to accept and act on it. He controls nothing, claims no title or office, and stands at the head of no organization. So there's no "authority" required, other than Christ's words, as I mentioned above.<br /><br />I'm doing my best, but I really can't do justice to these topics in a comment. I highly recommend you listen to Denver's 10 lectures, or read Preserving the Restoration. <br /><br />Here's a ling to the 10 lectures:<br />http://denversnuffer.com/40-years-in-mormonism-lecture-series/Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-20527058657980479522016-01-26T17:45:35.309-07:002016-01-26T17:45:35.309-07:00Thanks for your encouragement.Thanks for your encouragement.SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699554522289335818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-627617605247710082016-01-26T16:36:29.716-07:002016-01-26T16:36:29.716-07:00Hi SB,
A couple of thoughts. First, it is often d...Hi SB,<br /><br />A couple of thoughts. First, it is often desperation that brings us to the point of crying to the Lord with the kind of humility and surrender required. This may be exactly the path the Lord needs you to pursue to receiving the baptism of fire. Don't give up. Christ's path climbs, and isn't easy. <br /><br />Second, I recommend you focus on the doctrine of Christ. Fill yourself with faith, light and truth. I believe you'll find your sins trouble you much less. <br /><br />Speaking from experience in both of the above. God bless you, brother.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-69822738261753602532016-01-26T15:31:03.228-07:002016-01-26T15:31:03.228-07:00Excellent resources and inspiration Adrian, thank ...Excellent resources and inspiration Adrian, thank you.<br /><br />Although I myself do believe the One Mighty and Strong is going to be the catalyst in the work of building up of the daughter of Zion and the preparatory place in the land of first inheritance. I also believe that the Lord setting his hand the 2nd time is through Denver and his revelations that I was not privy to prior to my understanding of the Remnant of Lehi (Native Americans) but not just Denver, he has spoken to other servants, including a Native American of the seed of Lehi to set in order the House of Israel as the time of the Gentiles has ended in July 2013 and the Gentiles have sinned against His gospel and now the 1st shall be last and last shall be first. The first being the people of His 1st covenant, i.e. the seed of Lehi (various native American lineage).<br /><br />Thank you for your diligence in sharing truth you have found.<br /><br />- AndrewAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581327263834301481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-82276276544248677272016-01-26T11:56:24.809-07:002016-01-26T11:56:24.809-07:00I've been re-baptized (8 months ago), have not...I've been re-baptized (8 months ago), have not received a baptism of fire, am struggling with sin and temptation more than ever and feel gawd-awful unworthy. My wife and children are no longer believers, but rather agnostic or atheist. I am essentially alone in the South West US with no community. It's all been a rather bitter pill if you ask me.<br /><br />What to do?SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699554522289335818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-24841203303975136542016-01-24T21:59:28.925-07:002016-01-24T21:59:28.925-07:00Adrian,
I just went through all 7 posts. Very ins...Adrian,<br /><br />I just went through all 7 posts. Very insightful. It's something that I should've done sooner. <br /><br />Your sincerity has caused me to take another look. <br /><br />A lot of the same conclusions I've come to on my own or with the help of Watcher. <br /><br />I have to admit that I'm haven't given Denver a fair shot because of my reliance on Watcher's impression of him. Shame on me!<br /><br />It's something that's been coming back to my mind every couple of months or so. I'll then study, pray and fast only to get no answer. <br /><br />I've been studying, praying and fasting to know specifically if Denver is the Lord's servant as far as he, Denver, claims that he is. <br /><br />Here's something that I struggle with. Where does Denver get his authority? <br /><br />I'm not hat well versed with all of his works. From what I've discovered he's claimed to have had audience with the Savior. But hasn't claimed to have received specific priesthood keys or anointings. Or has he?<br /><br />Because as I read your invitation to baptized, it states "find someone with valid priesthood to provide the ordinance."<br /><br />Where does that valid priesthood come from? <br /><br />If Denver is relying on the priesthood received while in the LDS church, but claims that because they forced him out he's the sole one left with priesthood power; what does that really say about the priesthood that was bestowed upon him from said church?<br /><br />Anybody could organize a church and take from the scriptures certain passages and base their church upon that, but how can they take a living branch from a dead tree? How can they put in it the power and the authority to act in the name of the Lord?<br /><br />These are thoughts that I've looked for, maybe not deep or hard enough, but haven't been able to find an answer. <br /><br />Thanks again for addressing these questions. <br />Ahuizotlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-8064464951204150292016-01-24T17:42:56.889-07:002016-01-24T17:42:56.889-07:00I also recommend you read this post:
http://denve...I also recommend you read this post: <br />http://denversnuffer.com/2015/12/come-unto-christ/<br /><br />This baptism is literally designed to preserve those who receive it against the coming day of burning.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-9234062530159716772016-01-24T17:41:33.109-07:002016-01-24T17:41:33.109-07:00The Lord has sent an authorized servant with the i...The Lord has sent an authorized servant with the invitation to be re-baptized. The LDS church cast out that servant, and by so doing, lost keys, priesthood and the Lord's recognition. (I've written about these things elsewhere.) Those who want a valid baptism at this point cannot get it from the LDS church. Those who receive the word of the Lord's servant (and therefore receive Him) are required to be re-baptized.<br /><br />When the Lord makes a significant change or does something new, we show our acceptance by being baptized. This is foundational. Even when the Lord hasn't done something new, we can still opt to be re-baptized to renew our covenants, as was common in the early days of the LDS church.<br /><br />You state you "know" why the Nephites were re-baptized and that it had to do with the Law of Justice and Mercy. But you make claims that Jesus did not. I would submit the reason the Nephites were re-baptized is because the Lord asked them to. In fact, it was so important a matter that it was the first thing Jesus taught them when he came. He never mentioned the reasoning except that it is required for salvation and it shows our acceptance of Him.<br /><br />The Lord intends to restore much more that has been lost, including the fulness of the priesthood and Zion. The best way to show we will accept what will be offered in the future is to accept what He asks of us now. If we refuse to believe or accept what is before us, there will be no more offered. <br /><br />If the Nephites had pointed to their prior baptisms (done by priesthood authority, remember) and refused Christ’s new commission, they would have received nothing more from Him. But they obeyed, and we can read the results.<br /><br />Same goes for Alma at the waters of Mormon. Same goes for the Jews in the days of John the Baptist. Same goes for the believers in Joseph Smith’s day. Our dead works cannot save us. The LDS church is a sinking ship. Clinging to it for salvation brings not baptism, but drowning.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-1614171372716068992016-01-24T16:24:14.767-07:002016-01-24T16:24:14.767-07:00Thank you Adrian for the links.
I guess my hang ...Thank you Adrian for the links. <br /><br />I guess my hang up is how come the baptism that I have wouldn't be sufficient?<br /><br />I know why the Nephites were rebaptized. They were under the law of justice and after Christ's resurrection needed to be baptized to be under the law of mercy. <br /><br />I know why Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery and others were rebaptized. They were baptized under the instruction of John the Baptist for the remission of sins. They needed to be baptized to join the Church of Christ. <br /><br />If I was baptized into the LDS church under the Aaronic Priesthood, a priesthood that shouldn't be taken from the earth, why would I need another baptism?<br /><br />Help me to see what it is that you see that I am not. Ahuizotlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-18052915321712264582016-01-24T13:37:27.172-07:002016-01-24T13:37:27.172-07:00The invitation is issued in lecture 10 at this lin...The invitation is issued in lecture 10 at this link:<br />http://denversnuffer.com/40-years-in-mormonism-lecture-series/<br /><br />For an interesting parallel to your question, read D&C Section 22 (and its heading).<br /><br />Baptism is the way we signify our acceptance of the Lord's word today and the continuing restoration of the gospel.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-48651622356190255752016-01-24T11:26:26.333-07:002016-01-24T11:26:26.333-07:00Where did I miss that we need re-baptism or that t...Where did I miss that we need re-baptism or that the baptism that we already have with the LDS church is invalid?Ahuizotlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-41359342955444428062016-01-23T09:21:36.624-07:002016-01-23T09:21:36.624-07:00Adrian,
Powerful testimony! Thank you. I too know ...Adrian,<br />Powerful testimony! Thank you. I too know of these things, for the Lord has borne witness to my soul they are true. Reading Denver's words has, from the very beginning of this new dispensation, filled my soul with joy. I am elated that so many websites have emerged over the past few years declaring the truth of these things. The Spirit bears witness that, as the Savior taught Nicodemus, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3, 5)<br />Thank you for providing this opportunity to those still searching for re-baptism and seeking to "see" and "enter into" the Kingdom of God.<br />James Russell UhlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-77929594964298471912016-01-23T02:47:41.945-07:002016-01-23T02:47:41.945-07:00Do you mean "...ACCEPTED by the Lord"?
...Do you mean "...ACCEPTED by the Lord"?<br /><br />Excepted would indicate some kind of exclusion.Jimnoreply@blogger.com