tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post4640501289332622992..comments2024-03-26T14:29:25.921-06:00Comments on To The Remnant: Ask, Seek, Knock, Part 4: Knowledge and RepentanceAdrian Larsenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-75554880988154075432017-03-15T10:38:29.730-06:002017-03-15T10:38:29.730-06:00Excellent report! Thank you.Excellent report! Thank you.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03330245937274483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-54007573497202292782017-03-15T08:46:17.869-06:002017-03-15T08:46:17.869-06:00Adrian (and James),
Great work as usual. You have...Adrian (and James),<br /><br />Great work as usual. You have hopefully led me to get rid of some of the mountain of unbelief I am dealing with. I agree that confession to a fellow human is not necessary unless you actually harmed that specific person. <br />To James I would say the I agree 100 percent with your facts about the LDS church being highjacked by Brigham Young and his minions. <br />My take: 1. Jesus is God 2. Joseph Smith is the last dispensation head before the millenium 3. Brigham Young not a prophet, not a seer, and certainly not a revelator 4. Pure Mormonism (to steal the title of Rock Waterman's blog) died in 1844 with Hyrum and Joseph<br />5. Scriptures trump people 6. Go to GOD to get your info <br /><br />Thanks again Adrian!<br /><br />John Scott PetersonJohn Scott Petersonhttp://www.jstcommentary.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-37767472496726576342017-03-14T21:53:36.577-06:002017-03-14T21:53:36.577-06:00Adrian,
Really appreciate that there are those out...Adrian,<br />Really appreciate that there are those out there who question false traditions whether seemingly harmful or not. The majority of our traditions like the Pharisees are to satisfy the vain ambition of the few. Recently, Ive been turning to the original teachings of Joseph Smith as well to realize how far we've gotten of track. Searching Jsp Ive realized Joseph never taught polygamy and the d and c as well as church history were altered to glorify Brigham Young and polygamy. Why is it the church still has to sell polygamy? Because of the succession issue. Joseph Smith has to have married 14 year old girls and slept with other men's wives because that's what Brigham did, and so false and vain traditions have been written into our history because 15 men really want to be in charge. The living quorum are more than happy to throw Joseph under the bus every time. An example I'll give of altered history I discovered is section 126 of d and c which wasn't added until 1876. It purports to be a revelation from Joseph telling Brigham that he is relieved of future travel as an apostle and should spend time attending to domestic concerns (and did he, over 50 wives!) This false scripture justifies Brigham assuming leadership of the church since apostles as we all know are missionaries, and hence wouldn't have time to fool around with other men's wives and practice debauchery in the name of God. If you look at the dc before Joseph's death Brigham young isn't there at all. So he had to write himself in several times. He had Willard Richards do this one for him. It's an obvious forgery because it's written at the bottom of a journal out of sequence and randomly just where he had room to squeeze it in. A second example are the plural marriages in jsp. Several times they are squeezed in out of sequence or at the end of an entry where there happened to be space. There are only 2 plural marriages for Joseph Smith written in short hand: one for Rhoda Richards- I assume a relative of Willard. Summaries the church writes for each journal hilariously mention polygamy like it's in his journals but it's never there except for these 2 obviously desperate doctor jobs by Willard Richards who took the journals over after Joseph's death. I'm surprised the extent to which this conspiracy went to implicate Joseph in polygamy, but also how these lousy fabrications are never called out. Probably, because it would blow the roof off the whole scam. I love Mormonism, but hate how I as a missionary taught people the greatest thing about the gospel isn't Christ but 15 empty suits. Our Gospel needs to stop being about men.Furthermore, if these marriages were sealed in heaven, where is the earthly record? Joseph taught ordinances have to be recorded to be valid. If he were married to 30 women, where is the contemporary account? And why did Brigham have to have them posthumously performedin the temple to make them valid? Sorry if this is off topic. It's sad we have to question even basic teachings such as repentance so much has our Gospel twisted by vain teachings.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17550347092723070594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-2900724310900785072017-03-14T07:56:33.536-06:002017-03-14T07:56:33.536-06:00Unknown and Anonymous,
The scriptures tell us tha...Unknown and Anonymous,<br /><br />The scriptures tell us that we can be cleansed from sin and that they are then remembered no more (Alma 36:19; D&C 58:42) IF we repent. If I remember correctly, that chapter in 18 Verses quotes Joseph saying that an adulterer can not enter the celestial kingdom if he enters any kingdom at all or something like that, right? The question then is whether or not an adulterer who has repented is still an adulterer. And if no longer an adulterer, can they then be considered worthy of celestial glory? Right now the only thing I can think of that a person can do which is not forgivable is to "deny the Holy Ghost". Interestingly enough, this type of behavior is one that would be done by an adulterous heart. <br /><br />If we repent we can't turn back to our sins or all previous transgressions will be remembered. (I promise there is a scripture for that, but I can't remember it right now.) So a repentant adulterer would be wise to keep looking at God and not turn to face his former sins. <br /><br />I don't know that this is true, but it seems to make scriptural sense.<br />Chris Parknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-52926951144522295082017-03-13T20:24:39.923-06:002017-03-13T20:24:39.923-06:00Does anyone have an answer to Unknown's commen...Does anyone have an answer to Unknown's comment above?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-82530933171558068212017-03-13T20:11:47.388-06:002017-03-13T20:11:47.388-06:00Gruden, Webster's 1828 dictionary (current usa...Gruden, Webster's 1828 dictionary (current usage in Joseph Smith's day) defines "confess" as follows:;<br /><br />"To own, acknowledge or avow, as a crime, a fault, a charge, a debt, or something that is against one's interest, or reputation."<br /><br />It goes on further to note:<br /><br />"In the Catholic Church, to acknowledge sins and faults to a priest; to disclose the state of the conscience to a priest, in private, with a view to absolution; sometimes with the reciprocal pronoun."<br /><br />In other words, the whole notion that you must confess your sins to a minister or priest, who has power to absolve or forgive you, originated in Catholicism, and is not found in scripture. I can see how teaching and requiring such confession gave the church power over their members. The LDS church does the same.<br /><br />It's certainly appropriate to confess and seek forgiveness of someone you've wronged, and it's appropriate to confess your sin to the Lord and seek His forgiveness. Only Christ can forgive sin; there is no role for a priest other than providing baptism to the repentant.Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-43508125591075246252017-03-13T19:45:41.233-06:002017-03-13T19:45:41.233-06:00Fair enough, but who do you confess to? The scrip...Fair enough, but who do you confess to? The scriptures make it abundantly clear this is part of the repentance process. <br /><br />Quite a number of years ago I went through a repentance process, and the Spirit made it very clear to me I was to confess them, even things I didn't think needed involvement of someone else. The scriptures make it plain it wasn't something individual to me, that's how the Lord wants it done in general. If there's no bishop to go to now, then who?grudenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05723556100733166967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-19364308974146139782017-03-13T11:14:21.966-06:002017-03-13T11:14:21.966-06:00Anonymous,
Christ's atonement does make one f...Anonymous,<br /><br />Christ's atonement does make one fully clean. Can it prevent you from ever sinning again? no. BUT being born of God can coupled with receiving your calling and election from Jesus Christ can keep you His.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03330245937274483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-15485879811889664462017-03-12T23:17:15.625-06:002017-03-12T23:17:15.625-06:00I am interested in an answer to this as well. Does...I am interested in an answer to this as well. Does Christ's atonement not make one fully clean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-82923611819456787652017-03-12T22:37:05.527-06:002017-03-12T22:37:05.527-06:00Hi Ryan,
The reason I didn't post your commen...Hi Ryan,<br /><br />The reason I didn't post your comments is because they were promoting another blog that is filled with error and misunderstanding. I will not use this platform to promote somebody else's blog when it only serves to mislead and confuse. <br /><br />If you have a point to make here, please feel free to do so. I do not fear discussion in the least, and all the other comments on this blog prove me out. But please don't expect me to publicize or add to the audience of somebody else's error-filled blog. I see no reason to do so, and no good that comes of it. <br /><br />One other thing to note: if the Lord really did send Denver Snuffer, you attack him at your own risk. I won't contribute to that, nor promote it. Feel absolutely free to discuss and counter his ideas, but I will not promote nor link to personal attacks. Something to keep in mind if you want your comments published. <br /><br />So please feel free to make your case for what I, or Denver, or anyone else has taught that is false. Support your thinking with scripture. Let's discuss it. Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-16099929471078594132017-03-12T21:28:26.241-06:002017-03-12T21:28:26.241-06:00Gruden, excellent point. Though I believe confessi...Gruden, excellent point. Though I believe confession has much more to do with recognizing your error than it does with telling other people what you did. Admitting it to yourself and to God is the root of repentance. Confession to those you wronged is useful as well. But for many errors, this is not relevant. <br /><br />I don't think confession to a church authority is warranted or necessary, ever. Adrian Larsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173995703995901609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-23365993974555300512017-03-12T20:47:57.096-06:002017-03-12T20:47:57.096-06:00For whatever flaws might be in the LDS process, co...For whatever flaws might be in the LDS process, confession is not one of them. There are multiple scriptures in BoM and D&C that indicate confession is required for repentance. It would seem public vs. private confession is based on the public/private nature of the sin itself. Repentance is to confess the sin and do them no more.grudenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05723556100733166967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-59146720274719709982017-03-12T17:53:18.885-06:002017-03-12T17:53:18.885-06:00Adrian,
I enjoyed the post as usual. Are there no ...Adrian,<br />I enjoyed the post as usual. Are there no limitations though to the "list" of things we can repent of and still obtain forgiveness and knowledge? How does what Denver has taught about adultery in 18 Verses fit into this paradigm?<br />http://denversnuffer.blogspot.mx/2011/07/adultery.html <br />-VaughnUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13011507834240083529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-78173544018712660742017-03-12T11:55:58.405-06:002017-03-12T11:55:58.405-06:00In 1 Nephi 3:179 the 1908 edition has “Awful state...In 1 Nephi 3:179 the 1908 edition has “Awful state of blindness.” The correct wording from the Original manuscript is “state of awful woundedness.” This correlates with Jacob 2:8 which says “the word which healeth the wounded soul.”<br /><br />I find this to be the messaage you shared today Adrian. Thank you for this wonderful timely message.<br />Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03330245937274483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-44011610439832547342017-03-12T10:44:18.999-06:002017-03-12T10:44:18.999-06:00I can no longer take this blog nor its content cre...I can no longer take this blog nor its content creator seriously. <br /><br />Adrian, your lack of integrity and filtering comments is appalling. <br /><br />For someone who proclaims to "love the truth" your willingness to defend the Denver Snuffer from the accusations of being a false prophet to the point where you filter comments from your readers that challenge Denver has led me to believe that both you and he are not only deceived but maliciously trying to deceive others by not allowing the truth to be told. <br /><br />Regardless of your fear of the scriptures exposing you, the truth will stand on its own. Ryan Nickelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13388511851012919356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8665085267750808287.post-51756972138241912522017-03-12T10:37:49.314-06:002017-03-12T10:37:49.314-06:00As I read your post I was reminded of my favorite ...As I read your post I was reminded of my favorite talk by Denver, talk # 7 on Christ. <br />"Here are three important truths to remember.....<br /> -He is quick to forgive sin,<br /> -He allows all to come unto Him,<br /> -He is no respecter of persons.<br />In most cases it is our disrespect for ourselves that impedes coming to Him." (Denver Snuffer Jr, Preserving the Restoration, pages 295-296)<br /><br /> Thank you for this post.Paulanoreply@blogger.com